my car is burning oil AGAIN!

fun times · 2008-10-24 19:14:22

ok so my car is leaking oil and is at the shop as we speak and its driving me fucking nuts so heres what happened to lead me to this situation:

first i bought a pnp head and had it fitted with wrp oversized valves
i installed the head with jwt cams and it smoked (timing was off)
tried to fix timing (still off 1 tooth)
the car still leaked oil and by leak i mean like a 40 mile and have to add a quart

so it went to the shop for a bottom end build bc i thought it was the rings and it was a good excuse to build the bottom end so i had the crank balanced 07 rods and hg and total seal rings put in (top ring was the only one gapless) and jwt valve springs

i get it back and it still leaks oil and smokes. the mechanic said that the total seal ppl said to block off the pcv valve that runs from the vc to the im so its blocked off. besides that its just as instructed. i tried to tune for dd and i get 14.7 and then get to the next light and its completely different every time and yes no o2 sensors are in.

so it went back to the shop last tuesday and he looked at it finally and pressurazed the head and on the intake side he did not find a leak. he is going to call total seal and talk to them.

*note it ONLY smokes when the car is warmed up, at idel it smokes not alot but you can see it from the rear view mirror, taking off into 1st you see a small cloud and a lil cloud into 2nd. besides that i cannot see any smoke while driving*

so any ideas please no bull shit one word answers i want an/need explination on how i can get this fixed

Last edited by fun times (2008-10-25 12:14:12)

sticky667 · 2008-10-24 20:33:44

haha. good one big j.

fun times · 2008-10-24 20:34:07

Big J wrote:
is it cold out now?

eh 60s i suppose i dono how ky weather varies from ga

sticky667 · 2008-10-24 20:35:40

i think he was referring to the normal warm exhaust in the cold. or is it actually oil smoke?

specvturbo508 · 2008-10-24 20:37:29

is it leaking oil and burning or is it just burning, does it leak if it's parked?

fun times · 2008-10-24 20:38:59

sticky667 wrote:
i think he was referring to the normal warm exhaust in the cold. or is it actually oil smoke?

the oil is not leaking externally more of a white smoke to a light grey smoke

kc03spec-v · 2008-10-24 20:41:09

fun times wrote:
sticky667 wrote:
i think he was referring to the normal warm exhaust in the cold. or is it actually oil smoke?
the oil is not leaking externally more of a white smoke to a light grey smoke

Does it happen all the time when you drive or just when you start it up?

Sounds like a leaky injector maybe, or some coolant is getting into the cyl.

fun times · 2008-10-24 20:43:44

kc03spec-v wrote:
fun times wrote:
sticky667 wrote:
i think he was referring to the normal warm exhaust in the cold. or is it actually oil smoke?
the oil is not leaking externally more of a white smoke to a light grey smoke
Does it happen all the time when you drive or just when you start it up?

Sounds like a leaky injector maybe, or some coolant is getting into the cyl.

all the time i believe but i can only see it at idle or when in the lower gears. the coolant level has not dropped any

kc03spec-v · 2008-10-24 20:44:37

fun times wrote:
kc03spec-v wrote:
fun times wrote:

the oil is not leaking externally more of a white smoke to a light grey smoke
Does it happen all the time when you drive or just when you start it up?

Sounds like a leaky injector maybe, or some coolant is getting into the cyl.
all the time i believe but i can only see it at idle or when in the lower gears. the coolant level has not dropped any

Do a leak down test.

spec180 · 2008-10-24 20:45:04

Where at in Kentucky do you live? I live in Kenton county 10 min south of Cincinnati.

speedjunkie · 2008-10-24 20:46:34

when you had the bottom end built did they, hone the cylinders, check the ring end gap, piston to sidewall clearance, cylinder out of round, etc. etc.?

boogerboy72 · 2008-10-24 20:47:50

speedjunkie wrote:
when you had the bottom end built did they, hone the cylinders, check the ring end gap, piston to sidewall clearance, cylinder out of round, etc. etc.?

i really, really hope so. this is pretty much standard.

specvturbo508 · 2008-10-24 20:48:39

whitish smoke is definately a sign of anitfreeze burning in the cumbustion chamber, when you smoked your head and fixed it did you have the head cut? maybe your head is warped, not torqued down properly, mabye you have a crack somewhere internally, sounds like your only solution is to take it apart and have someone that knows the QR really good do the job, that sucks.

dudeof05 · 2008-10-24 20:56:14

specvturbo508 wrote:
whitish smoke is definately a sign of anitfreeze burning in the cumbustion chamber, when you smoked your head and fixed it did you have the head cut? maybe your head is warped, not torqued down properly, mabye you have a crack somewhere internally, sounds like your only solution is to take it apart and have someone that knows the QR really good do the job, that sucks.

he's right...if your head is leaking antifreez...depending on how much...check your oil ..if you got antifreez coming in your oil will be whitish...think of it like a milk shake....thats what happened to me when i overheated...blown head gasket:(...took it apart checked the head for warping...replased gasket problem solved... and where is your leak coming from? any ideas?

specVnismo2004 · 2008-10-24 21:09:59

oil is a light blue smoke. if your not paying attention, it can look white. i had valve seals on my old 94 eclipse (big surprise). that blew A LOT of smoke tho...

SE-R RACER · 2008-10-25 08:14:45

total seal are craps

boogerboy72 · 2008-10-25 08:31:21

SE-R RACER wrote:
total seal are craps

Thanks for your wonderful insight!

now. mind telling me why.

fun times · 2008-10-25 12:12:48

spec180 wrote:
Where at in Kentucky do you live? I live in Kenton county 10 min south of Cincinnati.

i live in a tiny town called eubank about 15 mins north of somerset or about an hour and 15 mins south of lexington

kc03spec-v wrote:
Do a leak down test.

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speedjunkie wrote:
when you had the bottom end built did they, hone the cylinders, check the ring end gap, piston to sidewall clearance, cylinder out of round, etc. etc.?

yes im sure he would he builds cars for a living all his life

any more ideas on what i can do to see where its coming from. it only leaks when the car is warm (edited in 1st post)

SE-R RACER · 2008-10-30 15:03:33

SE-R RACER wrote:
total seal are craps for most f/i application. i don't know anybody local that use those for high power applications

there u go

spec_fishin · 2008-10-31 21:58:23

Sounds to me like I would make sure the cylinders have been machined and given necessary machine work before slapping new slugs and rings in. Believe it or not a lot of shops will skimp out on some stuff like that if they aren't very honest. Sounds like you might have a good feel for them though. I would definitely check the rings and cylinder surface if a test doesn't lead to a head problem. Could be a bad valve seal or damage could have occurred during break-in period. Good luck I hope its minor and hope your mechanic takes proper care of the situation.

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