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2008-10-24 16:53:01 (10 weeks 5 days 8 hours 44 minutes 7 seconds) #1903307 | | view posts since this          #1 

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Misfires and running rich problems

While driving sometimes I will encounter a misfire, and after that my afr reads 10.0, probably meaning way lower than that. It could be a small misfire to where I barely even notice it or sometimes it is extremely fat. Ok I have been having this problem for a while, and I pulled some codes. I got the same ol cat converter code and a cps code. So I got it and thought it would fix it. Wrong. It happend to me again today. I know my fuel pump is going bad, does anyone think that this could be the problem? I got to thinking too, could it be a boost leak? If the boost is leaking out and not getting into the engine it could run considerably rich, right?

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Im running a safc neo. I got my plugs with the treadstone kit, I believe ngk. Im running 6psi. Its tuned for 11.7-ish at wot. The wierd thing is when my car is off for a while it wont do it anymore.

** I have checked my plugs a million times and they are normal wear. I cant remember exactly what they are gapped at.

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2008-10-24 19:24:57 (10 weeks 5 days 6 hours 12 minutes 11 seconds) #1903435 | | view posts since this          #5 

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Re: Misfires and running rich problems

what he said, what are the gaps?


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pimpsmurf wrote:

stop bumping the thread.

What are the gaps on the plugs? perhaps one is off too much and it's missing. Seems like it would miss at high speeds more than low. Are you missing at high speed or idle?

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It will misfire anytime, never at idle that I have noticed. This has been going on for about 3 or 4 months and mostly happens at mid rpm range. Every now and then at high. I think the gaps are about .4 if my memory serves me right. Like I said the plugs look like they have normal wear, nothing out of the ordinary.

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2008-10-25 10:43:49 (10 weeks 4 days 14 hours 53 minutes 19 seconds) #1903919 | | view posts since this          #7 

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You need PROPER fuel management... Megasquirt... That WILL solve all your issues.

Controlling fuel with the stock ECU and a piggyback on a turbo SpecV is just asking for trouble and shitty tune, I have been there... Now I have Megasquirt and I have NO tune drift and perfect 11.6 at WOT...


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Re: Misfires and running rich problems

my friend was having these same problems on his sr20det in a 92 sentra. He did a swap so he never got a new fuel pump and it started doing this because the fuel pump was overloading he got a walbro 255 and it took care of most of it. What fixed the rest of it was new turbo gaskets. the one that connects the turbo to the manifold was completely gone. He has the boost controller set to 8psi and it was only reaching 3psi, because it was leaking some much. But once he bought new gaskets the problem was completly fixed. i dont know if this is what is wrong with your car i am just trying to give you some ideas.

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You need PROPER fuel management... Megasquirt... That WILL solve all your issues.

Controlling fuel with the stock ECU and a piggyback on a turbo SpecV is just asking for trouble and shitty tune, I have been there... Now I have Megasquirt and I have NO tune drift and perfect 11.6 at WOT...

Not that i am not all for letting everyone know the best there is out there but people have been using safc's on turbo cars for a long time, saying that is his problem is just plain ignorance.

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Black04SpecV wrote:

You need PROPER fuel management... Megasquirt... That WILL solve all your issues.

Controlling fuel with the stock ECU and a piggyback on a turbo SpecV is just asking for trouble and shitty tune, I have been there... Now I have Megasquirt and I have NO tune drift and perfect 11.6 at WOT...

Not that i am not all for letting everyone know the best there is out there but people have been using safc's on turbo cars for a long time, saying that is his problem is just plain ignorance.

Thats true. I ran an safc on my car and sure, every once in a while you will have a tune drift, or whatever, BUT, its a simple, push of a few buttons and its dead on again.

Sounds like your plugs are fucked if they are gapped at .4


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speedjunkie wrote:

Black04SpecV wrote:

You need PROPER fuel management... Megasquirt... That WILL solve all your issues.

Controlling fuel with the stock ECU and a piggyback on a turbo SpecV is just asking for trouble and shitty tune, I have been there... Now I have Megasquirt and I have NO tune drift and perfect 11.6 at WOT...

Not that i am not all for letting everyone know the best there is out there but people have been using safc's on turbo cars for a long time, saying that is his problem is just plain ignorance.

Thats true. I ran an safc on my car and sure, every once in a while you will have a tune drift, or whatever, BUT, its a simple, push of a few buttons and its dead on again.

Sounds like your plugs are fucked if they are gapped at .4

Well my tune is dead on before the misfire ever takes place. I can beat on it all day long and it will stay right around 11.6-11.8 before the misfire, but afterwards its rich from there. I think it may be my fuel pump. I DO have one but its the walbro 255 and im gonna need an aftermarket fpr before I install so the pump wont burn out on me.

** Is there anyone else that has had any troubles with their stock fuel pump on or near 6psi?

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Re: Misfires and running rich problems

i knw that u can get misfire codes from a bad coil pack, my buddy had this problem!


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i knw that u can get misfire codes from a bad coil pack, my buddy had this problem!

A friend told me the same thing. How can I figure out which one is bad if it is?

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Turbofreak wrote:

i knw that u can get misfire codes from a bad coil pack, my buddy had this problem!

A friend told me the same thing. How can I figure out which one is bad if it is?

unplug the connectors going to the coil pack with the car running 1 by 1. when you dont hear a change then that coil pack or cylinder is misfiring

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Dragonbreath wrote:

Turbofreak wrote:

i knw that u can get misfire codes from a bad coil pack, my buddy had this problem!

A friend told me the same thing. How can I figure out which one is bad if it is?

unplug the connectors going to the coil pack with the car running 1 by 1. when you dont hear a change then that coil pack or cylinder is misfiring

that only works if its missing at idle tho

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Black04SpecV wrote:

You need PROPER fuel management... Megasquirt... That WILL solve all your issues.

Controlling fuel with the stock ECU and a piggyback on a turbo SpecV is just asking for trouble and shitty tune, I have been there... Now I have Megasquirt and I have NO tune drift and perfect 11.6 at WOT...

Not that i am not all for letting everyone know the best there is out there but people have been using safc's on turbo cars for a long time, saying that is his problem is just plain ignorance.

Let me see... You WILL have tune drift with SAFC-II, that can lead to rich conditions... Rich condititions WILL faul the plugs. Fauled plugs will cause misfire...

I went through SAFC-II & AEM FI/C before I found out that piggybacks on the SpecV don't work well at all. For a good stable tune you need full fuel standalone on this car.


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smiley-rolleyes  ONCE AGAIN, ALOT of ppl have been tuning there cars with piggybacks for quite sometime now, and while it does require a lil adjusting from time to time it isn't as difficult and inferior as you make it out to be. Just because YOU failed at successfully tuning your car with it doesn't mean that EVERYONE else has or will. Some ppl haven't had THAT much trouble with it and aren't ready to shell out more bread for megasquirt, when it hasn't exactly been mastered yet either. Has anyone been able to control(advance/retard) timing with MS on these cars yet?? That's the only way I'm gonna consider megasquirt, and probaly won't even do it then. I'm not trying to knock ANYONE who is using MS(because I know that's where you'll go with it), so please don't be so quick to knock piggybacks as a means to tune....because ALOT of ppl are still tuning SUCCESSFULLY with it.


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Big J wrote:

what are your corrections on the SAFC?

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I tune successfully with a SAFC2......works great, and unless your boosting all the time in the 9s or greater its kinda hard to foul plugs cause the ecu controls the car in closed loop.


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smiley-rolleyes  ONCE AGAIN, ALOT of ppl have been tuning there cars with piggybacks for quite sometime now, and while it does require a lil adjusting from time to time it isn't as difficult and inferior as you make it out to be. Just because YOU failed at successfully tuning your car with it doesn't mean that EVERYONE else has or will. Some ppl haven't had THAT much trouble with it and aren't ready to shell out more bread for megasquirt, when it hasn't exactly been mastered yet either. Has anyone been able to control(advance/retard) timing with MS on these cars yet?? That's the only way I'm gonna consider megasquirt, and probaly won't even do it then. I'm not trying to knock ANYONE who is using MS(because I know that's where you'll go with it), so please don't be so quick to knock piggybacks as a means to tune....because ALOT of ppl are still tuning SUCCESSFULLY with it.

I never said tuning with piggybacks is difficult... I have run SAFC-II for several months and successfully tuned it...

Megasquirt doesn't cost much compared to what it can do. SAFC-II is $190-$220 compared to $400 Megasquirt. And the SAFC-II cannot control injectors, control boost, datalog, doesn't have traction control or launch control, etc...

Megasquirt hasn't been mastered? Hmmm... I have been running Megasquirt for over 1000 miles without single issue. It holds perfect tune and beside cold startup and warmup its way easier to tune than ANY piggyback. The Megasquirt tunes ITSELF...

Of course you can control timing with megasquirt, you just need an external trigger wheel and sensor. Than for tuning you need a way of reading the timing, Cipher software is perfect...

Almost everybody who has Megasquirt let's the stock ECU control timing, just because stock ECU does a pretty good job in controlling timing and there is no need for messing with it, unless you run 14+psi.

I'm not trying to knock piggybacks. Heh, they work... BUT the proper way of tuning fuel on a boosted specV is with Megasquirt, you will never have tune drift...

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Re: Misfires and running rich problems

hey guys i have a few problems too. the mechanic working on my car says that my oil line is suplying too much oil so it leaks to my intake manifold and smokes a lot through the exhaust. also my car shuts off a lot. can some one help me out please???? im running a turbo kit.

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hey guys i have a few problems too. the mechanic working on my car says that my oil line is suplying too much oil so it leaks to my intake manifold and smokes a lot through the exhaust. also my car shuts off a lot. can some one help me out please???? im running a turbo kit.

Sounds like the seals on your turbo have blown because you were not running a oil restrictor on your oil feed line.


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what he said, what are the gaps?

What kind of gap do you guys run?? I've been using plugs for the SRT4...They come pregapped at .050 and I've just been leaving them at that. If you are increasing the boost levels do you need to consider changing your gap??


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HOLY FUCKING GAP BATMAN, put them to .30 and you will stop cutting out at higher boost like you said you were.. .50 is to big for NA. LOL


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Re: Misfires and running rich problems

where can i get a oil restrictor??? or what can i use or how do i fix that problem??? also my car shuts off a lot wen i make a complete stop. y could that be????

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Re: Misfires and running rich problems

heres the oil restrictor that goes in your turbo and then your feed line goes into it.
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merch … e=ATP-OIL1

A theory of why your car shuts off when you come to a stop alot is your bov could be to loose letting out to much air and not shutting all the way at idle, so when you go and stop it will stall. What BOV do you have?


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