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2008-10-24 04:35:49 (10 weeks 5 days 20 hours 11 minutes 52 seconds) #1902836 | | view posts since this          #1 

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those waiting on megasquirt boxes

i counted 4 people waiting on boxes, and one person waiting for a built gsquirt board.

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base boards are built and are working, need to install the gsquirt boards in them and burn each one in for a few minutes and test sensor inputs (map switch/launch/relay outputs)


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2008-10-24 05:03:44 (10 weeks 5 days 19 hours 43 minutes 57 seconds) #1902841 | | view posts since this          #2 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

smiley-banana sweet, cant wait for it. thanks Gurov


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2008-10-24 06:41:55 (10 weeks 5 days 18 hours 5 minutes 46 seconds) #1902851 | | view posts since this          #3 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

Mine came in the other day!  wooot!  smiley-laugh   Thanks again G

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2008-10-24 07:27:17 (10 weeks 5 days 17 hours 20 minutes 24 seconds) #1902859 | | view posts since this          #4 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

whats the difference between the regular boxes and the fully built gsquirt board?

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

illestfob wrote:

whats the difference between the regular boxes and the fully built gsquirt board?

+1

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2008-10-24 08:45:16 (10 weeks 5 days 16 hours 2 minutes 25 seconds) #1902892 | | view posts since this          #6 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

all the boxes i'm sending out are identical, all the same features. all with a gsquirt board with all the stuff wired in


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2008-10-24 09:03:02 (10 weeks 5 days 15 hours 44 minutes 39 seconds) #1902904 | | view posts since this          #7 

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o ok. that line about 1 person getting a built gsquirt board confused me

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2008-10-24 13:08:28 (10 weeks 5 days 11 hours 39 minutes 13 seconds) #1903058 | | view posts since this          #8 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

illestfob wrote:

o ok. that line about 1 person getting a built gsquirt board confused me

they want to build their own ms box and made special arrangement to get the board made.


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2008-10-24 13:30:55 (10 weeks 5 days 11 hours 16 minutes 46 seconds) #1903079 | | view posts since this          #9 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

ah i see

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2008-10-24 14:03:55 (10 weeks 5 days 10 hours 43 minutes 46 seconds) #1903139 | | view posts since this          #10 

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oooooo,  put me on the list!!  pleeeaaassseee!  smiley-jump1

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

any update?

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

gonna pick up the ms tomorrow. will post pics later in the day

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2008-11-13 00:13:38 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 34 minutes 3 seconds) #1921912 | | view posts since this          #13 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

how much do you charge to do all of this full gboard and all the goodies... ?


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2008-11-13 00:15:53 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 31 minutes 48 seconds) #1921914 | | view posts since this          #14 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

yea +1 how much does this cost?


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2008-11-13 00:17:32 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 30 minutes 9 seconds) #1921918 | | view posts since this          #15 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

base price is $400, harness, diode board, and gsquirt board inside the main box, things like black case, 4 bar map sensor cost extra.


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2008-11-13 00:19:18 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 28 minutes 23 seconds) #1921922 | | view posts since this          #16 

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im a n00b what exactly can you do with this and would you need anything else for it to be fully functional?  trying to get an smiley-edu


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2008-11-13 00:20:06 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 27 minutes 35 seconds) #1921923 | | view posts since this          #17 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

and what do you estimate turnaround time to be....
also how long will you be offering this?


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2008-11-13 00:21:31 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 26 minutes 10 seconds) #1921928 | | view posts since this          #18 

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

Yes SE-R wrote:

im a n00b what exactly can you do with this and would you need anything else for it to be fully functional?  trying to get an smiley-edu

you gain 100% control of fuel. so you get to tune all the fun stuff like acceleration enrichment , cold start, idle etc. on-power stuff is less of a problem cause that's very easy to tune with the software provided.

you need to have a laptop, way to connect to serial, and a wideband oxygen sensor to make this trully worth anything.


oh yeah, this has things like full closed-loop fuel control, rev limiter increase, oveboost protection, boost control.


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2008-11-13 00:22:26 (7 weeks 6 days 23 hours 25 minutes 15 seconds) #1921931 | | view posts since this          #19 

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and what do you estimate turnaround time to be....
also how long will you be offering this?

turnaround time is 2ish weeks, sometimes more, sometimes less. depending on my schedule.

these will be offered indefinitely, but again, turnaround time will vary, depending on how much sleep i'm getting that week.


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

is this just a plug and play system no other neccessary coversions needed or is there more to it?


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

blackout_V wrote:

is this just a plug and play system no other neccessary coversions needed or is there more to it?

more like a safc

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

Gurov...have you thought any about setting one of these up for a different sized injector?? Aren't all your boards so far being built to work with 440's? I run  SRT injectors...I've read they flow 499cc's but I've also read 577cc(??that may be max flow rate??)...Just wondered if it was something that was feasible or what it would require...


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Gurov...have you thought any about setting one of these up for a different sized injector?? Aren't all your boards so far being built to work with 440's? I run  SRT injectors...I've read they flow 499cc's but I've also read 577cc(??that may be max flow rate??)...Just wondered if it was something that was feasible or what it would require...

they are 577 if they are like 04 or something+.

and the megasquirts work with any injector size.  There are just no maps out for different sizes becuz i have 440s.  So youll just have it a tad bit harder than the 440 guys that can for the most part copy most of my settings, tune there ve maps, and call it a day.  But never fear ill probably be getting srt injectors soon and will start making msqs for them.

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I'm considering going this route in the future...


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

im excited! gonna try to pick this up next month then ill be prepped for the next big step now that my suspension venture is officially complete.

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

im still debating between this and just going the SAFCII route. i like this idea, but i just can find much info on it = scary 4 me.

well see when the time comes i guess


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

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im still debating between this and just going the SAFCII route. i like this idea, but i just can find much info on it = scary 4 me.

well see when the time comes i guess

If you need any info just ask me. I have been running Megasquirt for a few months now and I'm very happy with it...


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

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im still debating between this and just going the SAFCII route. i like this idea, but i just can find much info on it = scary 4 me.

well see when the time comes i guess

go with the ms.

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

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smokeyV wrote:

im still debating between this and just going the SAFCII route. i like this idea, but i just can find much info on it = scary 4 me.

well see when the time comes i guess

go with the ms.

MS has it's issues, just like the SAFC. Only a SAFC tune won't leave the car undrivable.

If you are very comfortable with tuning, and are willing to take the time to learn how to tune it, it's not a bad idea for the most part. There are a lot of bad things about MS that I've encountered, but most can be avoided if you deal with them ahead of time. This includes moving your wideband as close to the turbo exit as possible, being certain you have no exhaust leaks, and being ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you have no voltage noise. I have voltage noise unrelated to my megasquirt. It may in fact be the LC1, but I can't be certain yet. Unfortunately, the +12v isn't remaining stable and the sensors are all being thrown off. The megasquirt is seeing less voltage than the nissan ECU, and both are fluttering up and down, causing the MAP Sensor readings to spike all the time, which heavily effects tuning. I am unsure what is causing the problem, but it needs to be 100% solved before I start tuning high boost again. I've been seriously considering running narrowband input into megasquirt and tuning off it for low load, and tuning my high load by hand with the LC1 on the side. But that won't fix the MAP sensor inconsistency.

I've not been able to get a boosted spec with a functional megasquirt tune to send me a damned datalog so I can compare it to mine. If anyone can, please send me something, anything. please.

-JNY

you need to fix your electric issues and not send a constant voltage to the boost controller circuit.

should've had me build it. none of MY boxes have these issues.


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

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MS has it's issues, just like the SAFC. Only a SAFC tune won't leave the car undrivable.

If you are very comfortable with tuning, and are willing to take the time to learn how to tune it, it's not a bad idea for the most part. There are a lot of bad things about MS that I've encountered, but most can be avoided if you deal with them ahead of time. This includes moving your wideband as close to the turbo exit as possible, being certain you have no exhaust leaks, and being ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you have no voltage noise. I have voltage noise unrelated to my megasquirt. It may in fact be the LC1, but I can't be certain yet. Unfortunately, the +12v isn't remaining stable and the sensors are all being thrown off. The megasquirt is seeing less voltage than the nissan ECU, and both are fluttering up and down, causing the MAP Sensor readings to spike all the time, which heavily effects tuning. I am unsure what is causing the problem, but it needs to be 100% solved before I start tuning high boost again. I've been seriously considering running narrowband input into megasquirt and tuning off it for low load, and tuning my high load by hand with the LC1 on the side. But that won't fix the MAP sensor inconsistency.

I've not been able to get a boosted spec with a functional megasquirt tune to send me a damned datalog so I can compare it to mine. If anyone can, please send me something, anything. please.

-JNY

you need to fix your electric issues and not send a constant voltage to the boost controller circuit.

should've had me build it. none of MY boxes have these issues.

You weren't doing it for people when I ordered mine.

It's not in the megasquirt. It happened before megasquirt. It probably has been like that since I had the car turbo'd, but I didn't know it until it was affecting me. SAFC isn't as affected in this way, but my zt2 logs show the spikes. Everyone thought I had some crazy vac leak or something, but I don't. never did.

The boost controller circuit is disconnected BTW, didn't fix the problem. The solenoid isn't even on the car right now.

-JNY

clearly you've got ghosts in the system and need to fix them.

i just want to make it clear that this is not related to megasquirt being installed, it's ghosts in the existing setup. i've got hours and hours of datalogs from tony's tuning efforts with a clean signal showing no fluctuations.


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

it could be clearer in another thread, not here, where people are looking. you're making it sound like >ALL< megasquirts will have this problem.

i just looked on the datalog, and normal voltage fluctuations are between 13.3 - 13.8v while cruising and it pretty much stays there max jitter in map is 2-3kpa.


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

pimp all of my powers are tapped off the ms power wire on the ecu power.  boost is triggered off that power and then powered from the cd changer harness that i dont need. and i have tons of logs around here somewhere whats your email?

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

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it could be clearer in another thread, not here, where people are looking. you're making it sound like >ALL< megasquirts will have this problem.

i just looked on the datalog, and normal voltage fluctuations are between 13.3 - 13.8v while cruising and it pretty much stays there max jitter in map is 2-3kpa.

I did not, you are making it sound like I'm making it sound like that! hahaha

I'm saying people need to be prepared, and listed several things to look at before they do that.

Where are you powering the megasquirt? Where are you powering the LC1? where are you powering the boost solenoid?

Why am I the only person to have this issue, even with other hardware? Something is wrong with my CAR*, and I don't believe it's megasquirt. It's just affecting megasquirt.

off safc power wire, effectively, lc1 is coming off the same wire.


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datalog200811192227.xls   theres one pimp  thats my track run smiley-smile

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

pimpsmurf wrote:

darsondriss wrote:

datalog200811192227.xls   theres one pimp  thats my track run smiley-smile

your MAP is spiking 1.5 to 2psi in full boost.



You go from 18.7 to 16.3 psi in .138 seconds, and back up to 18.1psi .07 seconds later. This shit is bad since the pressure affects which cells your fuel choice is made by.

In my setup, my VE goes up a good bit from 5 to 10 psi, and a LOT from 10 to 18. A TON.

Are you capping MAF voltage? If not the ECU is pulling IVT timing and ignition timing.

Have you pulled the o2 sensor? If so the ECU may be ADDING TIMING if you have it set to 13 base timing.

For some reason both yours and gurov's datalogs show up at 10:1 AFR in boost, so your lc1 setups or something must be different than mine. Mine show up correctly, more or less.

-JNY

10:1 afr is cause you don't have the right msq loaded most likely.


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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

hmm? 18 psi to 16 psi what?  im running on a 7 psi spring right now...

and its the wastegate spring making it all crazy like. no maf clamp and no o2 sim  but i dont have it set to 13 anyways

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Re: those waiting on megasquirt boxes

megasquirt200811121109.msq  theres the msq im reading it with.

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lol dude i have no idea anymore... but ya my mlv is showing spikes of about 1.2 or so psi... but im not too worried about it since it was just wastegate spring controlled and it was cold as shit out.

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