
Norbert


i've been throwing this idea around in my head for the last few days. it would be easy to actually mount the unit up front, but the only part which i'm stuck on is finding a "supply and return" in the oil system to tap in. anyone have ideas?
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Norbert


where the hell does that thing go?

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Chris



it goes in between the block and oil filter. then you run lines off of it to you oil cooler.
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are there any other places to tap into the oil system? when i changed the oil on my dad's navigator, there were 2 lines running to the oil filter, which was actually located not on the block, but under the driver's side of the front bumper.

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look on the back of the oilpan, youll see 2 freezeplugs. those can be removed, then tapped for oil cooler lines. its what nitto used.
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booger, upper or lower pan? and how far apart are they? there is no point to having a supply and return right next to each other.

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Nick


its called a sandwhich plate.
www.glowshiftdirect.com
i got mine here for my gauges.
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cool, never heard of it til a few days ago. didn't think it was that useful. i'd rather use a sandwich plate than fuck with tapping freeze plugs on the back of the pan.

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Norbert


i'm almost there.
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-filter-adapters.aspx
what size we gots?

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Nick


eh shit... i forget. I ordered mine like 4 months ago. Call them and tell them EXACTLY what you have, and make sure you tell them you have a SPEC V.
they shipped me the wrong size first go around. the spec v is different.
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M20 is what prosport says our size is. Must be right cause thats what I got. I assume the 20 by 1.5? on that link
Lifes to short to drive a shitty car, get in a Spec V-T
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the good thing about this plate though is there are 4 holes.
I used 2 for my gauges, so if i ever need to use others... i have 2 extra. (oil pressure, oil temp)
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nikatrel wrote:
the good thing about this plate though is there are 4 holes.
I used 2 for my gauges, so if i ever need to use others... i have 2 extra. (oil pressure, oil temp)
i assume i'd plug those 2 up, and use the other 2 for the supply and return? it's hard to visualize this thing without having it in my hands. if anyone can verify that size, it'd be sweet. otherwise i'll call em up tmrw and place an order.

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yeah, a -4 return line is not what i want oiling my car.,
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are you sure it's -4? i was looking at this one.
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-cool … -20mm.aspx am i wrong?

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zomgz little picture
http://www.nittotire.com/blog/bodyImages/370.jpg
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Norbert


ah come on! i need my glasses!

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clay



ah, your looking at a different one, that should work. i wouldnt go less than -8
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boogerboy72 wrote:
ah, your looking at a different one, that should work. i wouldnt go less than -8
see that's the thing, i'm not sure which one it is yet. i'll have to call them up tmrw since nobody knows for sure.

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pimpy did you put it on the car yet? is this the shit you ordered?
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-cool … -20mm.aspx

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I used an oil sandwhich between the filter and the block. It has a temp spring in it that opens when the oil reaches 180* F to allow the oil to go to the cooler. I ran sslines up to the cooler which I mounted infront or the radiator on the left side. Then cooler is a low pressure restriction cooler that has differnt thickness fins for oil flow whether hot or cold. The oild sanwich allows you to run a bigger filter. To top it off it increases your oil capacity. Which can be good, or bad when it comes on to an oil change. 
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pregunta wrote:
I used an oil sandwhich between the filter and the block. It has a temp spring in it that opens when the oil reaches 180* F to allow the oil to go to the cooler. I ran sslines up to the cooler which I mounted infront or the radiator on the left side. Then cooler is a low pressure restriction cooler that has differnt thickness fins for oil flow whether hot or cold. The oild sanwich allows you to run a bigger filter. To top it off it increases your oil capacity. Which can be good, or bad when it comes on to an oil change.
it would be a good thing for me. what size/model/type sandwich did you use?

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nsogiba wrote:
pregunta wrote:
I used an oil sandwhich between the filter and the block. It has a temp spring in it that opens when the oil reaches 180* F to allow the oil to go to the cooler. I ran sslines up to the cooler which I mounted infront or the radiator on the left side. Then cooler is a low pressure restriction cooler that has differnt thickness fins for oil flow whether hot or cold. The oild sanwich allows you to run a bigger filter. To top it off it increases your oil capacity. Which can be good, or bad when it comes on to an oil change.
it would be a good thing for me. what size/model/type sandwich did you use?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hayden-O … 0244736597
That is the adapter I bought. Read the description. You have to run a different filter. (PH3950) I missed theat part during my first oil change after putting the adapter on and was stuck for a while. lol
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hasa nyone used this one with a oil cooler yet? or would it work? http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-filt … hread.aspx
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Norbert


^^ the above link looks pretty good. can anyone confirm the size as 20mm with a 1.5 thread? if so, i'm buying it.

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Norbert


bump anyone? i wanna get this thing going.

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well, after a fruitless search through the FSM for actual dimensions, i hopped onto the oil filter website and found some good stuff.
http://www.power-21.com/honeywellpower21i/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=PH7317
Anti-Drain Valve YES
Product Height 3.47"
Product I.D. 20mmx1.5mm Th'd
Product O.D. 2.69"
Relief Valve Setting PSI 13
20mm by 1.5 threads. i'll be ordering the sandwich from glowshift, or whichever one i saw for 30 bucks. "build" pics to come.

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http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-cool … -20mm.aspx is what i'll be using.

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update.
just waiting on the oil sandwich thing, it's shipping right now. i have an oil cooler around here somewhere, just trying to put together some fittings for it. i will be using SS lines for supply and return, and most likely using brass fittings for all the other pieces. i figure since the turbo guys use brass on all their oil feed and return stuff, i should be fine.
quick question, though: am i ok to use teflon tape on the fittings, or is the paste required? we used tape on the fittings for se-rman6's turbo spec with no leaks. opinions?

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motherfucker.....
i think i ordered the wrong part. this is what i got:


the problem is that there's no send/return system. yes, there are ports for the line, but they're both on the "return" side of the sandwich. which means that if i install this thing, it's only gonna put oil in the cooler, and not circulate it.
crude drawings:


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how is that wrong bee? it looks like the picture you showed me online

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it's the wrong part....i just need to exchange it for the right thing. good thing they have an exchange policy.

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hopefully you won't have to pay shipping to return it. thats how it is for my vicky's orders 

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eh. idk. i just wrote them an email. they seem like a good company to do business with. unfortunately, i'll have to pay a few bucks more for the correct part ;(

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hmm if these adapters wont work for turbo cars supply and return how would it work for an oil cooler?

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^^ ?
i thought turbo guys ran their feed from the port where the Oil Pressure Sensor used to be.

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feed should come from the that sandwhich, but return goes back into the block via a tapped fitting (tapping the oil pan)
which one did you get that has a return port for the oil cooler? and what size is the fitting for the oil cooler lines? i need to get a sandwich that fits my oil feed, oil pressure sensor, and the feed/return ports for an oil cooler in the future.
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illestfob wrote:
1. feed should come from the that sandwhich, but return goes back into the block via a tapped fitting (tapping the oil pan)
2. which one did you get that has a return port for the oil cooler? and what size is the fitting for the oil cooler lines? i need to get a sandwich that fits my oil feed, oil pressure sensor, and the feed/return ports for an oil cooler in the future.
1. feed is in the black sandwich i have, but there's no reason to tap the pan. the correct sandwich is a "split" design, which allows supply to come in one way, and return to go back another way. see my crude drawings above.
2. the thing that you have to remember (and i just realized this) is that you have to put in all of these things (cooler, feed) in SERIES with the rest of the oil system. that way, you can have proper flow and circulation with them. with an oil pressure sensor, it's a dead end, so you don't need circulation. you can put the sensor in one of the ports (see link below for all dimensions).
for this one, you can run your sensor, but not an oil cooler, as there's no circulating force for it.
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-filt … hread.aspx
for this one, you can run the oil cooler, and i'm pretty sure that you have 2 ports left over for an oil pressure sensor and whatnot.
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/oil-cool … -20mm.aspx

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hmm i think that wouldnt work for my set up. (the 2nd link)
if i use the two 3/8npt to -10an fittings to the oil cooler, the the oil pressure sensor would be ok to use the 1/8npt but the oil feed line to the turbo would need a bigger hole i would think.
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eh, idk. i'm not really that worried about fitting sizes, because i have to have lines and fittings made up anyways. there's a local shop here that attaches female ends to SS line, so i'm just going to bring in the sandwich, cooler, and associated fittings that i've already put together, and tell them how long i need the lines.
couldn't you just drill it out slightly more, and tap it?

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do you know if the 1/8npt holes are different? as in 1 is feed and the other is return? or are they both dead ends type?
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i have a bunch of theories...
the "oil cooler sandwich" will be a "series" type of system (like wiring). you NEED that push from the oil pump to circulate oil through the cooler. with the part that i have on my desk now, the "oil sender adapter", it is all in "parallel", meaning there's no way for oil to circulate forcefully through the cooler, or in your case, the turbo. the piece on my desk just has 4 ports on it (see website for size) for sensors that don't require circulation or flow, such as an oil pressure sensor.

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nsogiba wrote:
i have a bunch of theories...
the "oil cooler sandwich" will be a "series" type of system (like wiring). you NEED that push from the oil pump to circulate oil through the cooler. with the part that i have on my desk now, the "oil sender adapter", it is all in "parallel", meaning there's no way for oil to circulate forcefully through the cooler, or in your case, the turbo. the piece on my desk just has 4 ports on it (see website for size) for sensors that don't require circulation or flow, such as an oil pressure sensor.
"Please just order this it's much easier this way!!!
http://www.mishimoto.com/mishimoto-univ … r-kit.html
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textureofreality wrote:
nsogiba wrote:
i have a bunch of theories...
the "oil cooler sandwich" will be a "series" type of system (like wiring). you NEED that push from the oil pump to circulate oil through the cooler. with the part that i have on my desk now, the "oil sender adapter", it is all in "parallel", meaning there's no way for oil to circulate forcefully through the cooler, or in your case, the turbo. the piece on my desk just has 4 ports on it (see website for size) for sensors that don't require circulation or flow, such as an oil pressure sensor."Please just order this it's much easier this way!!!
http://www.mishimoto.com/mishimoto-univ … r-kit.html
my friend, i got a great deal on the oil cooler, and fittings are cheap and easy to put together. this can also be a how to for anyone that wants to do something similar.

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well, figured out the problem. i had ordered the correct part, GlowShift just shipped me the wrong one. called up their customer service, they were very helpful and promised to ship out the correct one right away. in the meantime, i have a to make a trip down to this ballin' pipe shop to get my lines and fittings made up. pics should be coming this weekend.

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nsogiba wrote:
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