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I mean.. I've broken every HP and "1st attempt" record out there for this engine.. but, it's been a while.. Charles is sitting up there with his Superspec.. he's in the 500whp club.. So, I thought to myself.. What can we do to drop jaws to the ground, yet again..?
I present to you.. the 600whp club.. 
No one is there, yet.. and, hell, there are tons of B15 turbo guys running around. The ideal candidate would have a built QR already.. and sleeved would be the best choice. But, we can start from scratch if necessary..
Gurov is willing to hook me up with a Mega Squirt at a good price, and I'm willing to pass that on to the customer.. I'll also be donating a full ported/built head to the customer.. free of charge..
I will donate my own QR, if you don't have a built motor already..
Other than that, here's what I'm proposing..
Engine-
Darton sleeved block, 91mm bore
Pauter cross beam rods/arp bolts
Custom CP pistons, 8.5:1 C/R
Fully ported head with springs/retainers (free)
ARP L19 custom head studs (super strong alloy)
O-ringed head with copper wire and MLS head gasket
2007+ 8 counterweight crankshaft
ARP main studs
Full blueprint/assembly
FI-R turbo cams
Custom sheetmetal intake manifold
Maxima throttle body
Turbo setup-
Precision Turbo PT67GT-Q turbocharger (67mm turbo with Q-trim turbine)
Custom stainless turbo manifold (T4 based)
3.5" downpipe
3.5" full exhaust
4" inlet pipe/filter
Tial 44mm wastegate
Tial 50mm blow off valve
2.5" and 3" intercooler piping
Stainless oil lines/fittings
Fuel/Management-
MegaSquirt standalone with 4 bar MAP sensor (courtesy of Gurov)
1200cc top feed injectors
Custom billet alum. fuel rail
Twin Walbro 255lph pumps, in modified 00/01 SE fuel canister
Twin feed fuel fuel system (feeds into each side of the rail)
Aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
Twin -6 fuel feed lines and single -8 return line
Misc. drivetrain-
JWT flywheel
JWT 1300kg/250mm ceramic disc clutch setup
Cryotreated gear stacks (transmission)
This setup will be capable of making around 700whp @ 30-35psi on C16.. but, the "official" goal, will be 600whp.. This will be a big 2.6 liter, and I think that 600whp will come at around 25-26psi with the big turbo, and C16/aggresive tuning.
Obviously, we're talking about some money here.. But, I will be practically giving away the standalone, and the ported head will be free..
If you are seriously interested.. drop me a PM, and we'll talk turkey.. This will be a serious setup, but, it will be streetable..
Travis
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Also, I'm willing to ship the entire, setup, ready to install, if you wish to do it yourself, or have another shop, locally, help you with the install. I'll leave that open to the customer.
Travis
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Jamil


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daammmm, this is gonna be crazy. Good luck to you and who ever you do it with. This will be something to see
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im going to copy and paste this parts list into that what parts would you like to see from FIR topic in engine swap.
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ReLL


about how much are you asking?

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i have a feeling what its costing me to get into 500 whp, i could have easly done this to get into 600 

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what kind of turbo manifold you thinking trav? some kind of side winder that will have the turbo around where the battery used to be?

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also on a side note, im going to up my shit now, to try and be the first one there lol
damn you travis and your awesomeness!!!!!! lol
<3

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dbarnett wrote:
what kind of turbo manifold you thinking trav? some kind of side winder that will have the turbo around where the battery used to be?
Probably another "medusa"...
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Blk2k3Specv wrote:
about how much are you asking?
It all depends on what the person has/doesn't have already..
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Nate

Damn why am I not rich right now :argh:
Is this a one time deal or could someone like I get it later next year or whats up?
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lol.. it just depends on who wants it and when.. It'll be up for the grabs until someone decides to work with me.
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Nate

Trav4011 wrote:
lol.. it just depends on who wants it and when.. It'll be up for the grabs until someone decides to work with me.
Damn. Time to start pimping my girl and buying lottery tickets.
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hmm i gotta 03 motor 86k on the head 45k on the block a spare block on the side nismo cams and 2 chicken bones how much credit will that give me towards tha big 600? lol

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Dragonbreath wrote:
Trav4011 wrote:
lol.. it just depends on who wants it and when.. It'll be up for the grabs until someone decides to work with me.
Damn. Time to start pimping my girl and buying lottery tickets.
+1 cocaine sales are low, i gotta start offering more product, and diversify my portfolio!

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Blk2k3Specv wrote:
hmm i gotta 03 motor 86k on the head 45k on the block a spare block on the side nismo cams and 2 chicken bones how much credit will that give me towards tha big 600? lol
The nismo cams would work.. that would knock about 600 bucks off of the price tag.. The engine parts are negligable.. I have plenty laying around.
PM me, if you're interested.. and I'll give you a breakdown on parts/prices.. I'm sure you already know that this won't be a "cheap" project.
Travis
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Trav4011 wrote:
Blk2k3Specv wrote:
hmm i gotta 03 motor 86k on the head 45k on the block a spare block on the side nismo cams and 2 chicken bones how much credit will that give me towards tha big 600? lol
The nismo cams would work.. that would knock about 600 bucks off of the price tag.. The engine parts are negligable.. I have plenty laying around.
PM me, if you're interested.. and I'll give you a breakdown on parts/prices.. I'm sure you already know that this won't be a "cheap" project.
Travis
yeah im exspecting it to be int he 5k range

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i wish i was a millionaire.. fuck a benz. this would be the shit!!


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Blk2k3Specv wrote:
Trav4011 wrote:
Blk2k3Specv wrote:
hmm i gotta 03 motor 86k on the head 45k on the block a spare block on the side nismo cams and 2 chicken bones how much credit will that give me towards tha big 600? lol
The nismo cams would work.. that would knock about 600 bucks off of the price tag.. The engine parts are negligable.. I have plenty laying around.
PM me, if you're interested.. and I'll give you a breakdown on parts/prices.. I'm sure you already know that this won't be a "cheap" project.
Travisyeah im exspecting it to be int he 5k range
5K..? The engine alone will have close to that in it.. 
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lol, 5k. thinking more around 10 if you dont have anything. but the only spec with that kind of power would be just awesome.

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would it run 11s?


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ReLL


okay question? with this amount of power do you think the stock axels will be able to hold it or will you fab some stronger ones up? and i pm'd u

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diaz9220 wrote:
would it run 11s?
maybe with some 24inch Mickey Ts lol


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im not cool enough to afford all that stuff but otu of curiousity how much would that exhaust setup cost? that stuff would be about the only thing that could pry my protech stuff outta my hands .
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Trav4011 wrote:
So, I was thinking.. I haven't built a strong QR turbo car in a LONG time.. The VQ stuff has slowed down a little.. So, why not do something different?
I mean.. I've broken every HP and "1st attempt" record out there for this engine.. but, it's been a while.. Charles is sitting up there with his Superspec.. he's in the 500whp club.. So, I thought to myself.. What can we do to drop jaws to the ground, yet again..?
I present to you.. the 600whp club..
No one is there, yet.. and, hell, there are tons of B15 turbo guys running around. The ideal candidate would have a built QR already.. and sleeved would be the best choice. But, we can start from scratch if necessary..
Gurov is willing to hook me up with a Mega Squirt at a good price, and I'm willing to pass that on to the customer.. I'll also be donating a full ported/built head to the customer.. free of charge..I will donate my own QR, if you don't have a built motor already..
Other than that, here's what I'm proposing..
Engine-
Darton sleeved block, 91mm bore
Pauter cross beam rods/arp bolts
Custom CP pistons, 8.5:1 C/R
Fully ported head with springs/retainers (free)
ARP L19 custom head studs (super strong alloy)
O-ringed head with copper wire and MLS head gasket
2007+ 8 counterweight crankshaft
ARP main studs
Full blueprint/assembly
FI-R turbo cams
Custom sheetmetal intake manifold
Maxima throttle body
Turbo setup-
Precision Turbo PT67GT-Q turbocharger (67mm turbo with Q-trim turbine)
Custom stainless turbo manifold (T4 based)
3.5" downpipe
3.5" full exhaust
4" inlet pipe/filter
Tial 44mm wastegate
Tial 50mm blow off valve
2.5" and 3" intercooler piping
Stainless oil lines/fittings
Fuel/Management-
MegaSquirt standalone with 4 bar MAP sensor (courtesy of Gurov)
1200cc top feed injectors
Custom billet alum. fuel rail
Twin Walbro 255lph pumps, in modified 00/01 SE fuel canister
Twin feed fuel fuel system (feeds into each side of the rail)
Aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
Twin -6 fuel feed lines and single -8 return line
Misc. drivetrain-
JWT flywheel
JWT 1300kg/250mm ceramic disc clutch setup
Cryotreated gear stacks (transmission)
This setup will be capable of making around 700whp @ 30-35psi on C16.. but, the "official" goal, will be 600whp.. This will be a big 2.6 liter, and I think that 600whp will come at around 25-26psi with the big turbo, and C16/aggresive tuning.
Obviously, we're talking about some money here.. But, I will be practically giving away the standalone, and the ported head will be free..
If you are seriously interested.. drop me a PM, and we'll talk turkey.. This will be a serious setup, but, it will be streetable..
Travis
Not that I am doubting your knowledge or anything but a "dual feed" fuel system? what exactly would that accomplish? Could you not do the same with a single feed fuel system with -6an feed and -8an return? Also, I would think, a dual feed fuel system would require you to have two fuel pressure regulators? With two regulators I would be concerned about the pressure being the same from both of them, I would hate for one of them to malfunction and the car run lean. As I said not doubting your knowledge at all, I am actually looking at getting schooled by your reply.
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i wouldn't take what i saw as a reliable source. but i think you need the two because of the amount of fuel you will be running. and i would think the fuel pressure regulator is regulating the pressure in the fuel rail.

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yeah, gotta feed those 1200cc injectors somehow


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dan



i was right. it was a mere educated guess

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speedjunkie wrote:
Trav4011 wrote:
So, I was thinking.. I haven't built a strong QR turbo car in a LONG time.. The VQ stuff has slowed down a little.. So, why not do something different?
I mean.. I've broken every HP and "1st attempt" record out there for this engine.. but, it's been a while.. Charles is sitting up there with his Superspec.. he's in the 500whp club.. So, I thought to myself.. What can we do to drop jaws to the ground, yet again..?
I present to you.. the 600whp club..
No one is there, yet.. and, hell, there are tons of B15 turbo guys running around. The ideal candidate would have a built QR already.. and sleeved would be the best choice. But, we can start from scratch if necessary..
Gurov is willing to hook me up with a Mega Squirt at a good price, and I'm willing to pass that on to the customer.. I'll also be donating a full ported/built head to the customer.. free of charge..I will donate my own QR, if you don't have a built motor already..
Other than that, here's what I'm proposing..
Engine-
Darton sleeved block, 91mm bore
Pauter cross beam rods/arp bolts
Custom CP pistons, 8.5:1 C/R
Fully ported head with springs/retainers (free)
ARP L19 custom head studs (super strong alloy)
O-ringed head with copper wire and MLS head gasket
2007+ 8 counterweight crankshaft
ARP main studs
Full blueprint/assembly
FI-R turbo cams
Custom sheetmetal intake manifold
Maxima throttle body
Turbo setup-
Precision Turbo PT67GT-Q turbocharger (67mm turbo with Q-trim turbine)
Custom stainless turbo manifold (T4 based)
3.5" downpipe
3.5" full exhaust
4" inlet pipe/filter
Tial 44mm wastegate
Tial 50mm blow off valve
2.5" and 3" intercooler piping
Stainless oil lines/fittings
Fuel/Management-
MegaSquirt standalone with 4 bar MAP sensor (courtesy of Gurov)
1200cc top feed injectors
Custom billet alum. fuel rail
Twin Walbro 255lph pumps, in modified 00/01 SE fuel canister
Twin feed fuel fuel system (feeds into each side of the rail)
Aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
Twin -6 fuel feed lines and single -8 return line
Misc. drivetrain-
JWT flywheel
JWT 1300kg/250mm ceramic disc clutch setup
Cryotreated gear stacks (transmission)
This setup will be capable of making around 700whp @ 30-35psi on C16.. but, the "official" goal, will be 600whp.. This will be a big 2.6 liter, and I think that 600whp will come at around 25-26psi with the big turbo, and C16/aggresive tuning.
Obviously, we're talking about some money here.. But, I will be practically giving away the standalone, and the ported head will be free..
If you are seriously interested.. drop me a PM, and we'll talk turkey.. This will be a serious setup, but, it will be streetable..
TravisNot that I am doubting your knowledge or anything but a "dual feed" fuel system? what exactly would that accomplish? Could you not do the same with a single feed fuel system with -6an feed and -8an return? Also, I would think, a dual feed fuel system would require you to have two fuel pressure regulators? With two regulators I would be concerned about the pressure being the same from both of them, I would hate for one of them to malfunction and the car run lean. As I said not doubting your knowledge at all, I am actually looking at getting schooled by your reply.
When you start talking about moving the amount of fuel that it takes to SAFELY make/sustain 700+bhp, in a 4 cylinder application.. then, you're talking about some serious hardware. Dual Walbro pumps, provide redundancy, and cushion, in case one pump starts to fail while under load. Each Walbro pump is capable of making around 500whp.. So, there is some cushion built in. Twin feed applies to the rail.. A single -10an feed will come from the back, where both pumps will "T" into the huge single line. The single feed will go into a modified Aeromotive pump, instead of the rail. From the regulator, two -6an lines will emerge, going into each side of the fuel rail. This eliminates starvation on one side of the rail, where the fuel exits in a normal return style setup. By letting the regulator set the pressure, and then, feeding each side of the rail.. You can make sure that there's always adequate fuel feeding all 4 injectors. With injectors of this size, it's not uncommon to get a drop in rail pressure, across the rail, because the first few injectors are robbing most of the fuel. Again, safety/redundancy... You have to think outside of the box when you start talking about these types of power levels. You want 700+bhp.. then, build a fuel system for 1000bhp, and allow for discrepencies..
Travis
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Dammit travis... I hate you.... I really do.
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Toss in a swapped final drive for good track times!!!! 
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heh.. we're already knocking on 10K.. Ahh, hell what's another couple hundred bucks at this point? lol..
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well i should have been pretty close to the 600 mark, i finally got my cracked i/c back and put on the car. took it out for a bit and on the way home i hit 27# in 3rd gear.... mind you this was a 35mph zone
and i had just seen a cop on that road 10 min earlier.

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YES!! YES!! YES!! I been waiting for this. Ok let me go get my wallet. Oh look.. moths
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If you're looking for 600whp then just simply run a 35R and a Bosch 044. While I don't see much harm in running two inlets to the rail, it seems a little over the top. Also the dual 255's seems like overkill for 600whp, where a standard bosch 044 would be plenty. Hell, run a 255lph intank and a bosch 044 in series if you really wanted to be overkill about it, then the mounting would be easier, there would be no T after the pump housing, and a single -8an line to the rail would be more than sufficient. 3.5" downpipe also seems like complete overkill for 600whp. Also there is no mention of aftermarket bearings anywhere, you plan on pounding stock bearings with those pauters/that much power?
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David Pereira

my set up currently consists of A1000 fuel pump by aeromotive, 1200cc injectors, 10AN fuel Line, I only put down 473 whp, very disappointed , I fucked up on my turbo selection, I was sold on it being capable of putting down 700whp, What ever happend to the 400whp club? and yes guys expect to pay alot more than 5k, just the short block on my car ran me about 4-4500. Fuel set up ran me well over 1000 with all the fittings, those fittings are not cheep, plus cams, turbo etc. where the fuck was this offer when I spent my 10k , I love that minfold, similiar to what I have in mind is that a T4 flange?
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David Pereira

what about 300 and 350whp club, 400 and 450, each of these whp goals is a mielstone when it comes to building our specs, I think being a part of any of these clubs is a great way to motivate more people to push there wallets beyond normal spending capabilities
, you know what I want that 600whp club, I've been on the phone all morning trying get some cams, Help me out here travis, sell me some cams please buy right now if you have something that might work for me. If I wasn't already built I'd be purchasing that setup from you right now, like a kid in the candy store, I'm considering another turbo now PT62ball bearing
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David Pereira

easily run 11's, I ran a 12.3@108 and broke my shifter linkage at the 1000ft, rolled through the traps and still ran 12.3, could not shift 5th and I was shifting at 6800rpm's I'm tuned to shift at 7500 so if this build is shifting at 8000 it should easily be low 11's with out a doubt , possibly even has a chance to sqeek out a 10.99
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10.99 that's rediculous for a fwd car! Shit! ..iwas thinking is it posible to make a spec awd? Because there's a awd b13 on you tube ..shit is crazy

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