02_Blackout wrote:

Sweet! Now buy me a turbo kit so I can be like you lol

You can install the Megasquirt on a N/A car as well... I bet you would benefit from raised redline

Black04SpecV wrote:

02_Blackout wrote:

Sweet! Now buy me a turbo kit so I can be like you lol

You can install the Megasquirt on a N/A car as well... I bet you would benefit from raised redline

But I want snail! Haha just messin with ya man. Seriously though congrats on the install! Not much harder than an SAFC huh? I might just go standalone right away when I boost then.

darsondriss wrote:

Innovate LM-1 works too and JAW

meh I should have said every wideband from Innovate works. I just got the LC-1, because its the cheapest...

Last edited by Black04SpecV (2008-10-08 21:53:03)

pretty much any wideband that had a programmible output will work.

illestfob wrote:

dude, thanks for this list of features and stuff. i think this is what i would go with.

do you have a afr gauge set up with the lc-1? or just reading it off the laptop?

everything is controlled via a connected laptop right? but you dont have to keep the laptop constantly connected each time you drive right?

does the built in map sensor work with an external boost gauge?

1, I haven't even received the LC-1 yet. You can connect a gauge to the LC-1. The LC-1 is just a bare bones kit, you can get the AFR gauge later.

2, You need the laptop only to tune the Megasquirt, once its tuned you don't need a laptop. It's a good idea to have a AFR gauge, oil psi gauge, water temp gauge and a boost gauge to keep an eye on things.

3, You can tee a mechanical boost gauge off the vacuum line going to the Megasquirt's MAP.

pimpsmurf wrote:

Black04SpecV wrote:

Megasquirt 1 v3.0 with Gsquirt board

- Price $400 assembled, tested and pre-set from Gurov
- Full fuel standalone, read the stock ECU has no control of the injectors what-so-ever
- Can raise rev-limiter
- Has launch control
- Controls boost
- Can control fans
- Can control timing with external trigger wheel
- Has three programmable outputs
- Has overboost protection
- It has built in MAP sensor
- It can datalog with a laptop
- Works with most widebands, the only wideband which is tested and works 100% with this unit at this time is Innovate LC-1 wideband
- Can switch maps with a simple on-off switch from low boost map to a higher boost map

UpRev software;

- Price $800+
- Can modify most parameters of stock ECU
- no boost or launch control...
- still in development with no public release date in sight

If you look above for the price the Megasquirt with Gsquirt board is clearly the best option out there...

Awsome. More megasquirt! This shit is awsome.
1: JAW works 100% as well, as do many other widebands. This is the one thing MS2 has on MS1, the ability to set a custom voltage pattern. JAW just emulates LC1 for megasquirt.

2: external trigger wheel isn't a minor upgrade. It's also very hard to tune and most wouldn't recommend it for most people. I don't even recommend it for myself. I'm going to use the $300 UpRev Cypher to adjust my base timing, and roll with that. The stock ECU is very good at timing when you don't lie to it too much. 17 degrees advanced is too much for high boost without race gas!

3: gsquirt is an addon board (daughter card) and just incorporates all the awesome shit megasquirt can do onto one little board. It's badass, but it's not absolutely "needed" for those on a budget. It doesn't add functionality, it just lets you use a single daughter card for everything and not look like a clusterfuck. One can put almost all (if not all) of this functionality on the main 3.0 board prototype area. Especially if one doesn't want to use it for timing immediately. (this is here for the newbs reading the thread.)

4: uprev isn't 800+, it's 300/900. the $300 is a consult-life device that can datalog the living shit (up to 20 things at once, including timing) out of the stock ECU and provide you a ton of feedback for tuning. It can also do simple consult-2 adjustments like timing, idle rpm, etc. Even megasquirt can't (yet) do idle adjustment unless you convert the TB (might be wrong on this.) Uprev WILL be the be-all-end-all tuning for the spec-v. It will be able to do anything, unfortunately, it will be a while yet until it's done, but it IS being worked on. Don't wait for it. haha. UpRev backed off of it's huge price tag for systems, and are going to offer $900 tuner kits where you can adjust everything yourself. This is going to be epic because it will do many many many things that Megasquirt can NOT do.

Megasquirt STRIKES AGAIN!   WOOT

-JNY

1, Good to know

2, I agree I just listed it as one of the features, tuning the timing with the Megasquirt is a PITA, plus as you said the stock ECU takes care of the timing pretty well.

4, Cypher from UpRev is $300. The cypher can only datalog read SES codes, raise idle and advance/retard timing +/- two degrees.

Black04SpecV wrote:

I have gotten fed up with piggybacks and them trying to wrestle the stock ECU, the result is always the same the tune drifts. I wanted FULL fuel control. Luckily Gurov makes the Megasquirt 1 v 3.0 board with gsquirt. That gives me COMPLETE fuel control and ELIMINATES the stock ECU from controlling fuel completely. No more tune drift for me...

ive been trying to figure out how to word this question for the past few mins lol.

when you say that gsquirt eliminates the stock ecu from controlling fuel, i understand the end result (gsquirt gets the control) but does that mean that the stock ecu is still futilely trying to adjust to teh original fuel trims and is just overridden by gsquirt or does the stock ecu not even see them and only sees what gsquirt is telling it?

this may or may not matter but im just trying to understand it a lil more

darsondriss wrote:

stock ecu is probably trying extremely futilly to change fuel trims.  But the ecu isnt even hooked up to the injectors anymore. the wires are cut

Exactly... Thats what I love about the Megasquirt.

Plus it doesn't throw SES light...

illestfob wrote:

so the injectors are wired to the gsquirt i take it? how hard is this to revert back to stock and stuff?

super easy... just plug the injectors back in... really easy with how gurov sets it up.... i can revert to stock in 30 seconds if you count the time it takes me to unlock the car and open the hood.  but its kinda useless to revert back to stock if you dont have another form of fuel control lol .  440s and stock ecu dont cut it

the 3 programmable outputs.. what are some examples of what they can be used for?

Has anyone tried to control timing with it yet (on a spec-v)?
Oh, and does this eliminate the problem of maxing out the MAF?

From what I read on the diyautotune website, you have to upgrade it to msII in order to control timing, am I missing something?

Black04SpecV wrote:

nccentral wrote:

From what I read on the diyautotune website, you have to upgrade it to msII in order to control timing, am I missing something?

You don't really want to control timing. It is NOT necessary. The stock ECU controls timing pretty well. Besides tuning the timing with the Megasquirt is a PITA.

tuning timing being a pain in the ass is not a function of megasquirt, it's the general notion of tuning timing.

tuning timing in megasquirt is easy as hell, it's just that you have no quantitative feedback for which way you need to move like you would with fuel

nccentral wrote:

From what I read on the diyautotune website, you have to upgrade it to msII in order to control timing, am I missing something?

diyautotune ships all their stuff and talks about ONLY vanilla megasquirt firmware.

boxes i ship are loaded with msns-extra_hr, which is megasquirt and spark, extra features, high resolution. which means .035ms injector resolution, a ton of extra features, and ability to run a crapload of spark outputs should you chose to do so.

look up http://www.msextra.com/manuals/MS_Extra … _Index.htm

pimpsmurf wrote:

gurov wrote:

you can run an external trigger wheel and still control just fuel, you're simply substituting the coil input for the proper trigger wheel, it's also very safe, i've driven over 20 thousand miles with a trigger wheel and sensor hooked up to my engine, never a single problem.

uprev does not exist right now, you have to wait. this is NOW and available.

gsquirt is a simple board i made, and i would recommend it to anyone, even running 3.0 board (i took both my 3.0 boxes and installed the board in it) it eliminates all the cluttered bullshit in the proto board, the gsquirt board can be isolated. i'd love to se you fit 8 transistors onto the proto board along with a massive mosfet.

I didn't say it wasn't very unsafe, I just said that it's not a simple upgrade. I don't consider custom mounts and custom aftermarket pulleys with custom mounted trigger wheels "simple." Doable, and badass, but not just slapping a few wires together.

right on. UpRev does exist right now... The cypher portion. How much are you selling the gsquirt boards for?

-JNY

the boards are not up for individual sale and can only come as part of a package with the box itself.

wow just from this psot i want it. the afc does not do it for me. with the SC it was Great, but the turbo it seems the tune wonders alot more.

i need to read up on more of the post about it, and get intouch with gurov about getting one of these very soon!

question: with the ms, do we need external boost controller?

cause i have in the mail an emanage and a profec b but i think i'm sold on this.

So we can setup a two-step, but not an anti-lag, right?