
Kevin




I can go into a local nissan shop and see if they have any just laying around that i can take pics of. I will try to do it tomorrow but I cant promise anything. Im going to be mounting up my new tires tomorrow after work.


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They probably wont have any from the rogue or new altima, but Im sure they will have some from a frontier


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Jeff



stupid thread title... GHEY
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Brian
We've never had any problems with the 2.5 in the frontier at my dealer to warrant taking a motor out. We only see 2-3 through the shop in a month though.
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this is some good info, if i had time i would do it but not gonna happend withen the next 3 weeks.
Someone step up. If your ass dont have a job or doesnt go to school, and just look at forums all day, make this your homework.. chop chop..
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a first year at my school tore apart a QR25 i believe for his engine mechanical project, but the head and intake and exhaust were totally different ill take some pictures tomorrow and post them so
#1 we can figure out what application its from
#2 what its pistons look like compared to ours (ive yet to see a b15 piston cuz i havent dug into my engine yet)
total lack of boobs as well 
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where the hell are the boobs
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lol not gonna lie, i only clicked cuz it said boobs

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no boobs, no care

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Doug



i deffintely remember that black coating on the sides of the pistons from looking at them quickly on a table, dont remeber a brown coating, and for some reason i think the dome of the piston was caved in making it look like a lower comp piston compared the the ones in your picture but im probably remeberin that wrong, ill take pictures first thing tomorrow when i go in and i hope i can post them from school.
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ill do some research tomorrow on the assist thing at school, hopefully dig up some info,
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boogerboy72 wrote:
ill do some research tomorrow on the assist thing at school, hopefully dig up some info,
assist is wicked cool, i have it at school too. do you find it harder to navigate than alldata? obv gives manufacturer specific stuff, but i find it harder to get what i want from it.
EDIT:my bad total 
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Big J wrote:
snowghost440 wrote:
a first year at my school tore apart a QR25 i believe for his engine mechanical project, but the head and intake and exhaust were totally different ill take some pictures tomorrow and post them so
#1 we can figure out what application its from
#2 what its pistons look like compared to ours (ive yet to see a b15 piston cuz i havent dug into my engine yet)
total lack of boobs as wellWas it a long plastic intake that went over top of the motor? Were the water outlets different?
If it was, that would most likely be a QR from a frontier, pics would be awesome. if you could take a set of calipers and measure from inside of the piston pin boss to the top of the piston, that would be great.
If you could de-carbon a combustion chamber, find a piece of plexiglass and CC the head, you'd be my hero.
dont havta de-carbon anything its a donated crate motor from nissan
i can use my seick nasty new digital micrometer for this! so pumped! lol ill see what i can do
what do you mean by CC the head? how do i do it?
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Big J wrote:
you're my hero. See, kids, research if fun.
Get some pics of the head and the block so we can take a guess as to what it is from.
alrightyyy
hell yes research ftw
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Big J wrote:
CCing the head.
http://www.hydrostream.org/ArticleArchives/CCHeads.htm
your instructor might know how to CC a head
thats doesnt seem very hard at all. idk if ill have time to do that tomorrow cuz i still have to get my work done (were learning about advanced OBDII right now, but i doubt itll get put back together soon so i can do it next week when i go back for the next class. ill still take pictures of it all tho and post them so you can look and inspect
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so bad news... upon further inspection i found out the first years' teacher was wrong in saying that it was my POS 2.5L... its a QG18... once i dug out the block from the mass of shit piled everywhere i could tell immediately the block looked too teeny and stamped right on it says qg18.. sorry for the dissapointment i wanted to help 
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Why not get some guys together and have a cheaper piston manufacturer make you exactly what you guys are looking for? I understand the idea of trying to find OEM parts that work, and they'll be a bit cheaper (I understand this, so don't take it this way), but if you're going to build a motor, why not spend an extra 200 bucks and have literally bulletproof pistons that have the exact CR that you are looking for, with ringlands and wrist pins/bosses that are designed for high HP and turbocharged applications? If a factory piston set will run you 200 bucks, then for only 200 bucks more you would have something proper. Seems miniscule to me when you're considering the money for an engine build, and the cost that it would run you if the OEM parts were to fail.
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I went to that Nissan shop and they didnt have any of the pistons on hand that we were looking for. I talked to the manager and he said if he gets some in, he would be more than happy to give me a call so I can go take some shots of them for our comparisons.


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Right, and thats why I say I understand the use of OEM parts sometimes, but when it comes to building an engine, you are going to be looking at all the machine labor on the block itself, new gaskets, new studs/hardware, oil pump, etc, the cost difference between a dedicated forged piston that was designed for this kind of use vs an OEM part is minimal. There aren't a lot of choices for the spec, I understand, but you are also looking at straight off the shelf stuff. The effort spent looking for an OEM replacement, trying what works and what doesnt, could be used just spec'ing out exactly the piston you guys want/need through a manufacturer. Pool a group of guys together and I'm sure having a custom set of pistons done really won't cost you all that much more. Things like the crankshaft are harder to replace, so for those it's great that you find alternatives, but pistons and rods are pretty simple.
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Also, since it wasn't mentioned. If you're looking to measure the top contours of your pistons, what you can do is put a ring of grease around the bore of an empty block and install the piston into the bore. Make sure that the piston is fully contacting the grease, and is at a measured depth below the top deck of the block. From there just fill the cylinder just as you would a combustion chamber, measuring how much alcohol you used. Since you have the piston at a known depth, you can calculate what the theoretical cylinder volume of that depth would be with the bore's diameter, and compare that to the used alcohol, and the difference will be your dome height/volume.
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Big J
I will contact 3 dealers today here in Vancouver Canada!! I post later around 6:00 pm tonight if I find anything!!
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I get the point, I just think the efforts are misguided.
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I phoned about 4 Nissan dealers in Vancouver Canada and they all said the same thing sorry we don't stock engine parts because everything is rebuilt by nissan or ordered in long blocks complete engines!!I asked about part catalog pictures of a various pistons and the pictures are all just generic pictures of pistons! So I asked the closest dealer for about ordering pistons and they said unless u purchase nope!! I asked them where the f**k are they stocked he said the pistons for the Xtrail would have to come from Japan!! WTF! Sorry Big J I tried!! I think we are going to have to talk directly to Nissan for answers because its going to be to hard for dealers to bring in stock that won't sale just for personal interest or looks!! The piston are all very cheap in comparison to paying $800 f**k who can afford paying $4000 for engine that my or my not last 100,000 miles of abuse before tear down is required!! People don't realize that even if u have the best engine components u will still need to rebuilt engine at very short intervals!!
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textureofreality wrote:
I phoned about 4 Nissan dealers in Vancouver Canada and they all said the same thing sorry we don't stock engine parts because everything is rebuilt by nissan or ordered in long blocks complete engines!!I asked about part catalog pictures of a various pistons and the pictures are all just generic pictures of pistons! So I asked the closest dealer for about ordering pistons and they said unless u purchase nope!! I asked them where the f**k are they stocked he said the pistons for the Xtrail would have to come from Japan!! WTF! Sorry Big J I tried!! I think we are going to have to talk directly to Nissan for answers because its going to be to hard for dealers to bring in stock that won't sale just for personal interest or looks!! The piston are all very cheap in comparison to paying $800 f**k who can afford paying $4000 for engine that my or my not last 100,000 miles of abuse before tear down is required!! People don't realize that even if u have the best engine components u will still need to rebuilt engine at very short intervals!!
people also don't realize that when you double the power output of a car, things will break, and that if you're wanting to play, you must be prepared to pay.
beefy aftermarket pistons cost $460 per set + rings.

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I agree about having good parts for power output but only at reasonable prices!! Nissans are soooo f**kin expensive to build period!!!
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I could take 5 different car manufactures and all are cheaper to build serious hp and even more readily available!! But I still stay loyal to Nissan and the Spec!! Hey they should be paying us to build engines!!!
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Those cars probably also have like 10-20 years of development behind their engines, whereas we have... barely 7 years... of blowing up them because they suck. Domestics have like 40 years of modding behind them, too. I don't think we'll be buying out of a Jegs catelog anytime soon 

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textureofreality wrote:
I could take 5 different car manufactures and all are cheaper to build serious hp and even more readily available!! But I still stay loyal to Nissan and the Spec!! Hey they should be paying us to build engines!!!
sell your car, buy a honda, run stupid quick
sell the honda, buy a mustang/camaro/muscle-mullet and order a crate engine from jegs or put a 50000000000000000000 nitrous shot on it, run way faster than you could ever dream of running in the spec.

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Don



With some factory 07 parts, and some nice pistons, the build can be fairly inexpensive. $2k probably, which isn't all that bad.
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textureofreality wrote:
I agree about having good parts for power output but only at reasonable prices!! Nissans are soooo f**kin expensive to build period!!!
ebay: honda pistons = $450(buy it now $600) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H22-PREL … 0095868904
honda rod piston combo = 730 ; http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Eagle-Ro … 0299603099
the list goes on. nissans aren't outrageously expensive, you're goign to have to spend the money everywhere, it's the choices in parts that you have.

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Honestly its more fun to be learning and in development mode with something thats unique like the spec!!
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donspecv02 wrote:
With some factory 07 parts, and some nice pistons, the build can be fairly inexpensive. $2k probably, which isn't all that bad.
crower rods = 700
cp pistons = 460ish
rings = 80
best swaintech coating = $200 total for all 4 pistons.
seems under 2k.

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gurov wrote:
donspecv02 wrote:
With some factory 07 parts, and some nice pistons, the build can be fairly inexpensive. $2k probably, which isn't all that bad.
crower rods = 700
cp pistons = 460ish
rings = 80
best swaintech coating = $200 total for all 4 pistons.
seems under 2k.
Yeah, I was estimating high on purpose. A $2k build really isn't that bad.
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I am not saying its nissan is general is expensive but for the QR there is this mentality that we can charge what ever we like because there are not enough people buying!!
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I'll have one soon just because of my curiosity. If you go about building a motor smartly it can be done for around 1-2k, including machine work, bearings, gaskets, etc.
Now thats what I call thrifty!!
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Big J
What kind of compression is better for boost? Aren't these pistons we are discussing all around 10 and up compression??
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I guess it just all equals out evenly more compression lower boost? Sounds good to me!!
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A 170-180* thermostat IMO is ideal, any lower than that and there are efficiency issues, plus in the long run your temps will wind up rising to the 180+ temp anyway. I really think if you guys are able to do some pistons, aim for lower CR and have some form of timing control (Don't run an Safc) and you will really see some solid boost/power figures. Try to get something below 9:1, ideally in the mid 8's for a great all around street setup. You'll lose a small bit of efficiency vs the 10+ CR setups, but the amount of boost that you will be able to run will be far far greater.
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dude if i had money to pick up a couple pistons and help i so would, but it sucks being virtually broke.
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Big J wrote:
is it that no one gets as excited about this as me, or do people figure I'll get around to doing this eventually and will just wait?
I will see tomorrow the cost of 1 piston and I will buy if u Big J buy one piston also!! The debate is which one do u want me to purchase? I am in Canada so we may not see it for 1 week if in Japan!! So if we buy I would like to purchase and use the other 3 obviously if this is going to work out!! When I receive the piston I do the proper measurements to see if usable and if not it will make a nice ashtray!!
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Big J wrote:
is it that no one gets as excited about this as me, or do people figure I'll get around to doing this eventually and will just wait?
does college count as an excuse?
id be all about helping the cause if i had money.. so far all i am missing is which piston i am going to be using in my build and i like the idea of using another OEM part like the 07 rods
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might help if you got a car group that has money justin.
we seem to be a bunch of broke college kids..

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