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2008-10-01 18:54:23 (14 weeks 7 hours 37 minutes 7 seconds) #1879713 | | view posts since this          #1 

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overdrive on or off?

does it make a difference at the track?

when i took the se-r i just left it in, didn't even think about switching it off. 

i am going again this friday, and want to improve upon the awesome 16.138 i got last time i went.  the weather was 90 degrees with like 80% humidity the time i went, so i already have a weather advantage since it's down in the 60s now. 

but does this overdrive thing really make a difference?  the car shifts at redline as it is with it on, so off wouldn't change anything, right?

(and the drop resistor mod is not an option, please don't suggest it)


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2008-10-01 19:21:41 (14 weeks 7 hours 9 minutes 49 seconds) #1879736 | | view posts since this          #2 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

when the car is being driven up and down moutain roads, the switching in and out of overdrive can really wear on the clutchpacks/bands due to itll go to engage OD, and as its engaging, the computer will see you need to be in third, so itll re engage third.

see the constant slippage going on? thats BAD lol. kinda like slipping the clutch constantly why driving.

make sense?

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2008-10-01 19:22:58 (14 weeks 7 hours 8 minutes 32 seconds) #1879737 | | view posts since this          #3 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

as far as improving times, you loading the tranny? if you are, try loading it a little lower than where the torque converter stops it, helps with the bog off the line.

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2008-10-01 19:34:23 (14 weeks 6 hours 57 minutes 7 seconds) #1879751 | | view posts since this          #4 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

The car doesn't bog, it just goes.  I tried reving it up a bit, but the brakes wouldn't hold and the wheels would start spinning.  So I just sit there until its time to go, and I just stomp on it.

And your first post just flat out confused me...


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2008-10-01 19:38:40 (14 weeks 6 hours 52 minutes 50 seconds) #1879755 | | view posts since this          #5 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

i thought overdrive was when engine speed and wheel speed are set at 1:1 to improve fuel economy on the highway or when cruising. so idk why it would even be engaged at the track anyways.. unless im wrong about that..


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Re: overdrive on or off?

I know your car has more power than mine Heidi but what i do is leave OD on and in D1/1st i rev to 3000 RPMS and when its time to go I stomp and let off the brake and it seems to work good for me. Just some info dont know if it will help


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Re: overdrive on or off?

Clay and I decided I will just drive it like I do every day... Drive with overdrive on.  smiley-smile


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2008-10-01 19:48:24 (14 weeks 6 hours 43 minutes 6 seconds) #1879767 | | view posts since this          #8 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

Do a run with each?


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2008-10-01 19:49:30 (14 weeks 6 hours 42 minutes) #1879770 | | view posts since this          #9 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

cute02spec wrote:

Clay and I decided I will just drive it like I do every day... Drive with overdrive on.  smiley-smile

this clay guy must be a smart guy.

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2008-10-01 19:49:49 (14 weeks 6 hours 41 minutes 41 seconds) #1879771 | | view posts since this          #10 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

The whole question was kinda stupid... I just remember people saying it made you faster... but that doesn't make sense once I think about it... I really doubt it'd make the car hit redline any faster... and since it's shifting at redline with overdrive on, might as well just do it.

Hahaha, too much thought into a 16 second car... haha.


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2008-10-01 23:07:48 (14 weeks 3 hours 23 minutes 42 seconds) #1880033 | | view posts since this          #11 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

Um..I dunno if you remember me posting it on the genral automatics forum, but in the same night I did 16.5 with the O/D on...then I remember how I ran the very first time with O/D OFF and got 16.3...with another dude in the car! So I ran right after that 16.5 with O/D OFF, and got 16.1 (Stock), now I hit (15.9) with just the CAI. To me, I feel the difference, it feels like its revving at a faster speed. Even in daily driving, when I have O/D OFF, and gas it off the line for a corner, I can feel the wheels just turning in faster, I tq steered with 4 other people in my car! lol. remember? I can pull the dates, temp, humidity, etc for you for those days I ran, lol. I've been studying it for our automatics


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Re: overdrive on or off?

3 NOV 2006
37˚F
54% humidity
30.46 Barometric
4.6 mph  N wind
Clear

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     1.0503              -Reaction-           1.0830
     2.4079                  60 ft.                  2.8348
     6.8239               330 ft.                7.3148
    10.5284                 1/8 ET                10.6515
      66.25                 1/8 MPH              74.79
    16.5477                 1/4 ET                15.8267
     80.75                  1/4 MPH              94.56
                                Finish margin             .6883
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      1.0486                    -Reaction-          .7807
     2.4743                 60 ft.                  2.1487
     6.7935                 330 ft.                 5.9587
    10.3550                1/8 ET                 9.0760
     69.18                  1/8 MPH             78.48
   16.1140                 1/4 ET                14.1105
     84.73                    1/4 mph              97.02
                             finish margin           2.2714
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2008-10-02 20:42:42 (13 weeks 6 days 5 hours 48 minutes 48 seconds) #1880880 | | view posts since this          #13 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

What you need to do is the resistor mod. smiley-smile

j/k



I dont know how the stockers hold up, but what ive done to get the best launch is hold the brake and slowly rev until the revs stop climbing around 3k or so. Then I put it to the floor. My tires will just hold and not move, if you dont do it too long it wont cause too much damage.

Also try doing the 'manual' automatic shifter. Put it in 1, then 2 then D. I know my car is faster with it like that.

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Re: overdrive on or off?

Spec-V WannaBe wrote:

Also try doing the 'manual' automatic shifter. Put it in 1, then 2 then D. I know my car is faster with it like that.

i know your wrong.

electronics are a hell of a lot faster than you can shift.

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Re: overdrive on or off?

Well... I did two runs with the overdrive on, one with it off.  With it off my 60' was worse, time was worse... trap speed was a smidge higher.

I declare this BUSTED.

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Re: overdrive on or off?

cute02spec wrote:

Well... I did two runs with the overdrive on, one with it off.  With it off my 60' was worse, time was worse... trap speed was a smidge higher.

I declare this BUSTED.

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I dunno...my 15.3 was with the O/D off...I could only get 15.5 with it on...

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Re: overdrive on or off?

My car seemed sluggish with it off... didn't even sound the same smiley-nixweiss


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Re: overdrive on or off?

interesting...

My car seemed the same, but I ran .2sec quicker...my trap was even the same mph, maybe it was a fluke

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Re: overdrive on or off?

All 3 times I ran 15.8XX, so it was matter of hundreds... oh well, I am still happy, I was not expecting to drop 0.3 seconds off my time!


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Re: overdrive on or off?

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My car seemed sluggish with it off... didn't even sound the same smiley-nixweiss

i dont wanna sound arguementative, cuz you said below the quoted line that it was busted (+1 for mythbusters reference) but it really shouldnt matter if you shut the O/D off or have it on at the track. overdrive  is the highest gear the auto tranny can go into which puts the engine speed and wheel speed at 1:1 or close to it for fuel economy. next time your out cruising at a constant speed on the highway shut it off and feel and watch the tach, itll be like down shifting from 5th to 4th with a 5speed stick. it should work when cruising say 40mph to if conditions are right and theres not much load on the engine, youll feel a less prodominant shift cuz your going slower but youll feel it and see it with the tach. O/D shutoff shouldnt effect shift speed or when the tranny shifts at all under acceleration. its not like a "sport mode" button or "power" button that drags the gears out longer. its basically a gear lockout button  my .02 smiley-smile


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Re: overdrive on or off?

yeah, i knew that.  people just always claimed it makes you faster.  logically it never made sense, but since i actually got 3 runs, i decided to try it just to see since i had already gotten times i was happy with.


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Re: overdrive on or off?

ohh i see, i had never heard that so i didnt realize thats whay you were testing it. kk i get it. end thread dont wanna be beating that horse


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2008-10-04 17:33:02 (13 weeks 4 days 8 hours 58 minutes 28 seconds) #1882841 | | view posts since this          #23 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

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cute02spec wrote:

My car seemed sluggish with it off... didn't even sound the same smiley-nixweiss

i dont wanna sound arguementative, cuz you said below the quoted line that it was busted (+1 for mythbusters reference) but it really shouldnt matter if you shut the O/D off or have it on at the track. overdrive  is the highest gear the auto tranny can go into which puts the engine speed and wheel speed at 1:1 or close to it for fuel economy. next time your out cruising at a constant speed on the highway shut it off and feel and watch the tach, itll be like down shifting from 5th to 4th with a 5speed stick. it should work when cruising say 40mph to if conditions are right and theres not much load on the engine, youll feel a less prodominant shift cuz your going slower but youll feel it and see it with the tach. O/D shutoff shouldnt effect shift speed or when the tranny shifts at all under acceleration. its not like a "sport mode" button or "power" button that drags the gears out longer. its basically a gear lockout button  my .02 smiley-smile

The myth is that the electronics make a quicker shift when the O/D switch is off. It is proven that the rpm's will go higher then stock with the O/D button off.


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Spec-V WannaBe wrote:

Also try doing the 'manual' automatic shifter. Put it in 1, then 2 then D. I know my car is faster with it like that.

i know your wrong.

electronics are a hell of a lot faster than you can shift.

No, I know your wrong. By shifting with the stick you can go higher in the Rpm's, the car will do stock. Plus if you have a spinning problem, then you can bounce it until you gain traction.




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2008-10-04 18:25:51 (13 weeks 4 days 8 hours 5 minutes 39 seconds) #1882865 | | view posts since this          #24 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

Um...wierd for you, I've always ran faster with O/D off. ???


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Re: overdrive on or off?

Oh my God, heh. Wow.

That button does NOT really turn overdrive on and off. It simply tells the computer whether or not it's allowed to use overdrive. boogerboy had it 100% right in post #2. Under certain driving conditions (towing, highway mountain driving), the car can reach a point of indecision. Sometimes (going downhill) 4th gear will seem appropriate. Other times (uphill, even when the headwinds gust a little bit) it'll want to downshift/unlock the converter. So you have this rapid shifting back and forth, locking and unlocking the converter, which puts a lot of wear on the trans and heats the fluid up way too much. Therefore, you are given an OD button so you can disallow the computer to use overdrive aka 4th gear. It'll stay in 3rd instead of hunting back and forth.

At the track when you're just mashing the gas pedal, the computer is never, ever going to consider locking the converter or shifting to 4th unless you reach 3rd's redline.

Therefore: no difference. As we all know there are a huge number of things that can affect run times.


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2008-10-05 22:38:38 (13 weeks 3 days 3 hours 52 minutes 52 seconds) #1883900 | | view posts since this          #26 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

then how would get 2 mph in the speed traps with OD off?...I found another auto SE-R here , so I'll make her run to see. What was your speed trap Heidi? So I can figure what part of 3rd gear you were in. That can help my research smiley-smile


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Re: overdrive on or off?

armadnigeneral wrote:

As we all know there are a huge number of things that can affect run times.


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Re: overdrive on or off?

And its not that maybe, somehow the computer also allows the individual gears to run longer with the O/D button off?   Possible?

Like you said, a number of things can affect times you mean Just Like a number of things can affect the way the ECU and, further then any spec, affect the TCM?

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2008-10-06 22:11:24 (13 weeks 2 days 4 hours 20 minutes 6 seconds) #1884824 | | view posts since this          #29 

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Re: overdrive on or off?

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And its not that maybe, somehow the computer also allows the individual gears to run longer with the O/D button off?   Possible?

I really doubt it as, again, overdrive off only prevents the car from shifting into 4th gear (aka, overdrive) and/or locking up the TC. I don't think they would package such an unrelated function in with the same control, as the overdrive control has nothing to do with going fast or accelerating.

An automatic with a datalogger can answer this question for certain, but again, I really doubt it.


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Re: overdrive on or off?

With overdrive on, my car shifted at redline.  With overdrive off, it shifted at redline... the exact same redline. 

smiley-nixweiss

If I have time, I can ghetto install a ZT2 to datalog this if it's such an important matter...

My trap speed was 85.69mph to the person that asked.


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Re: overdrive on or off?

Well the redline is not the important part, I think the OD helps you REV faster...like an underdrive pulley for the tranny in a way...think about it...


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Re: overdrive on or off?

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Well the redline is not the important part, I think the OD helps you REV faster...like an underdrive pulley for the tranny in a way...think about it...

Makes no sense....

Overdrive isn't a device (though it did used to be). Overdrive IS fourth gear. It's called overdrive because the output is faster than the input.

OD off = transmission will not shift into 4th gear. That's all it is, barring any additional info.


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Re: overdrive on or off?

Heidi, do a test please

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Re: overdrive on or off?

armadnigeneral wrote:

Nperez1986 wrote:

Well the redline is not the important part, I think the OD helps you REV faster...like an underdrive pulley for the tranny in a way...think about it...

Makes no sense....

Overdrive isn't a device (though it did used to be). Overdrive IS fourth gear. It's called overdrive because the output is faster than the input.

OD off = transmission will not shift into 4th gear. That's all it is, barring any additional info.

thats what i said earlier, its basically a gear lockout for the highest gear whether it be fourth or fifth, not sure how many an auto SE-R has. and i thought we put this one to bed awhile ago..


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