
Chris Sowa


So I got my car back today from the shop and all my oil leaks are fixed
But I decided to scan my car for codes since I never got around to it. I expected the o2 sensor codes to pop up and they did. But then boom Mult/random cylinder misfire shows up.
Things you should know:
Idle is fine (690 - 740ish)
Vacuum rail that used to run to the butterfly valve thing is open.
Car is running open dp with neither of the 02 sensors plugged in.
No tune
PCV valve is open
Used suby 440cc injectors (one of which had a slightly dented head)
Stock spark plugs
Butterfly valves removed
Knock seems to be normal, SAFC says 0 - 3 after a few hours of driving. And I don't hear anything blatantly wrong.
That's all the relevant info i can think of.
Where do I begin? I'm assuming ill foul the spark plugs soon driving like this. And i need the car to get around for now...
UPDATE: 11/5/08
Hokay just got my car back from the exhaust shop. Had the second 02 spaced.
Now all I'm throwing is :
Random/Mult cyl misfire
P0031 and "Heater control circuit low"
Now that I can actually listen to my engine bay there is defiantly a huge vac leak from the intake manifold (passenger side). So I know where to begin with this.
However, what's up with the "P0031 and "Heater control circuit low"" The second sensor is spaced and isn't throwing a code. The bung for the primary 02 was welded roughly 7 inches away from the turbo. As long as the wired would stretch.
As far as I know, that sensor was working perfectly pre turbo. It's been sitting in my trunk in my old nismo header for about a month now. Ideas?
I pulled the plugs today and did a leak down test thanks to mike. Everything looked ok. Plugs were pulled for the first time since the install and they look fine, no fouling.
Soooo I'm gonna replace the IM gasket this weekend if I have time. If anyone has run in to the P0031 and has a solution let me know! Thanks everyone!
UPDATE 11/7/08:
Whelp o2 sensor mystery solved! It wasn't plugged in (lol). I could have sworn it was plugged in when the guy from the exhuast shop showed me the car...but I guess i could have been wrong.
I just figured this out an hour ago so I haven't had time to check if the code actually went away (no obd scanner) but it defiantly seems like it did something. Here's what's going on now.
So since I plugged that sensor in, the car started fine...I drove it about 4 blocks to a restaurant my friend was at. I was showing off the new exhaust and revved it to about 6k rpm to show him how quiet it is now lol.
Nothing out of the ordinary, but then when it winded down, rpms hung at about 1600. Restarted the car, idling fine, rev it, hangs at 1500. Drove the car around for maybe 10 miles, same thing every stop its hanging at 1500 unless i give it a lil gas, then it'll drop down to 800 and pop back up the second i give it gas.
I'm wondering, now that both sensors are functioning properly, is it giving extra gas to compensate for the misfire or something? Anyone run into something like this before?
I guess I'll unplug the sensor tomorrow when the car cools down and see if it is the car compensating now that both sensors are working. Or maybe I have to do an idle relearn because the sensors are back on?
Either way...one mystery solved another arises. Lets hope then 7 dollar gasket is all I need tomorrow to finally finish this car!
Cliffs:
1st o2 was unplugged
plugged it back in
Drove couple blocks
Revved car to 6k in neutral
Rpms hang at 1600 now at stops, they drop if i give it a lil rev, then pop back up to 1600.
Update 11/7/08 1pm
Sensors back in. Code went away.
Now I have :
P0300 rand/mult cyl misfire
P0507 Idle control system rpm high
I think the P0507 will go away with a relearn, unless its doing it on purpose...It's happen to me before cuz I fudded with the throttle body did the relearn and code went away in the past.
U guys think its raising the rpms as a precaution or just something got messed up and I should do the relearn?
Anywho the IM gasket is in hand and I'll start tearing down the top in a few hours. But I have questions.
A. Should I go back to my stock injectors with an 6.5psi spring in?
-----This would help me narrow the problem down from a vac leak or bad injectors.
B.Can I reuse the new gasket, (I forgot to buy two just in case) if its only been on for a few hours?
-----Lets say I decide to just reinstall the gasket and the misfire goes away, then i wanna try goin back to stock injectors, could I resuse the IM gasket?
Last edited by Redlinehax (2008-11-07 14:14:12)

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Kurt Kennedy



uh yes.
Spark plugs are FUCKED
Does it have a tune?
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Chris Sowa


kc03spec-v wrote:
uh yes.
Spark plugs are FUCKED
Does it have a tune?
No tune, I mentioned it....The plugs should last me a little bit right?
But more importantly what should I start with? I don't have any money and I need to work things out one at a time.
Last edited by Redlinehax (2008-10-01 00:26:17)

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Check the refill fluid.
You should also try to get them sensors, bucko. Your car isn't metering fuel worth a shit... Why didn't we pull any of the spark plugs today to check for fouling?
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Chris Sowa


Didn't know it was misfiring until like an hour ago 

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Chris Sowa


specv118 wrote:
Lmfao thanks preston...I don't even know where to begin though! Someone help 

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Chris Sowa


Big J wrote:
is it actually misfiring?
Sounds like it. I also forgot to mention. I do have a vacuum leak. The vac line that used to run to the butterfly valve thing...
Could this cause the problem? I should prob cap it?
I've been reading about the problem online and it seems like the possibilities for this code are endless. Things as simple as replacing IM gasket, to checking fuel pressure.
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Chris Sowa


Big J wrote:
you really need to get you setup sorted out before everything goes horribly wrong: tuning, 02 sensors, exhaust, intake leaks, etc.
So worry about it after I get the exhaust on...
As far as you know big J, would running no 02's and throwing the codes obviously, or a vac leak cause this problem?

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do u have aftermarket cams?
If i were you I wouldnt drive the car in the state as you described, you'll fuck up more things....
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This is the vac line that's missing....
I'm going to run to my car for a second....
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Chris Sowa


Redlinehax wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/ … kX/vac.jpg
This is the vac line that's missing....
I'm going to run to my car for a second....
Well I fixed that, the line was just hanging. But it's still misfiring. Where can I find a vacuum line diagram for our car in the FSM?
Hmmm...nvm I think all the vac lines are honkey dory now. Since the vacuum box and "power valve actuator" have been removed along with the butterfly valves.
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Redlinehax wrote:
Redlinehax wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/ … kX/vac.jpg
This is the vac line that's missing....
I'm going to run to my car for a second....Well I fixed that, the line was just hanging. But it's still misfiring. Where can I find a vacuum line diagram for our car in the FSM?
Hmmm...nvm I think all the vac lines are honkey dory now. Since the vacuum box and "power valve actuator" have been removed along with the butterfly valves.
Pull out your plugs and see if they are fouled, I bet they are...
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Black04SpecV wrote:
Redlinehax wrote:
Redlinehax wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/ … kX/vac.jpg
This is the vac line that's missing....
I'm going to run to my car for a second....Well I fixed that, the line was just hanging. But it's still misfiring. Where can I find a vacuum line diagram for our car in the FSM?
Hmmm...nvm I think all the vac lines are honkey dory now. Since the vacuum box and "power valve actuator" have been removed along with the butterfly valves.Pull out your plugs and see if they are fouled, I bet they are...
im sure they are fouled but that wont solve my problem will it?

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fouled plugs are for sure i bet. With your 02 sensors unplugged your car is in a "safe mode" It is running so stupid rich with the 440 injectors and the 02 sensors not plugged in. Im surprized it isnt running like absolute shit. You need to get the exhaust done so you can get the damn 02 sensors in. And get new plugs. NGK step colder from stock. Part # 7654. get that stuff fixed before you fuck your car up man.
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Redlinehax wrote:
Black04SpecV wrote:
Redlinehax wrote:
Well I fixed that, the line was just hanging. But it's still misfiring. Where can I find a vacuum line diagram for our car in the FSM?
Hmmm...nvm I think all the vac lines are honkey dory now. Since the vacuum box and "power valve actuator" have been removed along with the butterfly valves.Pull out your plugs and see if they are fouled, I bet they are...
im sure they are fouled but that wont solve my problem will it?
Fouled plugs will make your car misfire...
Geez get all your shit figured out; exhaust, put both o2 sensors in, one step colder plugs and see if it still misfires...
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silverspec wrote:
fouled plugs are for sure i bet. With your 02 sensors unplugged your car is in a "safe mode" It is running so stupid rich with the 440 injectors and the 02 sensors not plugged in. Im surprized it isnt running like absolute shit. You need to get the exhaust done so you can get the damn 02 sensors in. And get new plugs. NGK step colder from stock. Part # 7654. get that stuff fixed before you fuck your car up man.
that'll be my first try after i get the exhaust done...gonna be a few weeks though 

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Chris Sowa


Big J wrote:
misfire = bad
bad + a few weeks = worse
I talked to two master techs today, they said i should be fine...i drive the car ~40 miles a week.

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Redlinehax wrote:
Big J wrote:
misfire = bad
bad + a few weeks = worseI talked to two master techs today, they said i should be fine...i drive the car ~40 miles a week.
your master techs dont drive/work on aftermarket turbo cars all day long.
boost, miss firing, non stock boost motor= bad

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ya, Pull your plugs and tell us what they look like. Do that NOW! Find out right there why its misfiring. If it looks fouled than its a rich misfire...white, than lean and you got vac leaks. Or something.
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silverspec wrote:
ya, Pull your plugs and tell us what they look like. Do that NOW! Find out right there why its misfiring. If it looks fouled than its a rich misfire...white, than lean and you got vac leaks. Or something.
+1

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Nick


did u have to wire in new injector clips for the injectors? one of ur connections may be bad. had that happen to me.

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racer X





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did u have to wire in new injector clips for the injectors? one of ur connections may be bad. had that happen to me.
nah, wrx plug n play 

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Josh




Pull The Plugs 
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Pull the plugs!!! lol It will at least point you towards either a rich or lean misfire. Than you can say..hey its rich..i know why, IM NOT TUNED on 440 injectors
Lean..well start looking for vac leaks, etc.
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What makes you think the car is misfiring?? Just because it's throwing that code doesn't make it so. Do you have 02 bungs in your downpipe?? You should. If you do, get a wideband on your car, and check the afr's. Check your plugs. I wouldn't run stock spark plugs either...Stock Spec V plugs were not meant for a boosted engine. Go to the parts house and get a set of pregapped SRT4 spark plugs and put them in the car. Do you know what detonation sounds like??? Probaly not. Turn the radio off while you are driving. As you gradually increase the throttle, listen for any noises. Detonation will sound like someone shaking a tin can with some nuts and bolts in it. It won't be EXTREMELY loud, but you will be able to hear it, faintly. You need a wideband on the car, man. Otherwise you are flyin' blind. You are running 93 octane in the car, right?? If not, I feel sorry for your mother...

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05SpecVnBlack wrote:
What makes you think the car is misfiring?? Just because it's throwing that code doesn't make it so. Do you have 02 bungs in your downpipe?? You should. If you do, get a wideband on your car, and check the afr's. Check your plugs. I wouldn't run stock spark plugs either...Stock Spec V plugs were not meant for a boosted engine. Go to the parts house and get a set of pregapped SRT4 spark plugs and put them in the car. Do you know what detonation sounds like??? Probaly not. Turn the radio off while you are driving. As you gradually increase the throttle, listen for any noises. Detonation will sound like someone shaking a tin can with some nuts and bolts in it. It won't be EXTREMELY loud, but you will be able to hear it, faintly. You need a wideband on the car, man. Otherwise you are flyin' blind. You are running 93 octane in the car, right?? If not, I feel sorry for your mother...
Just because its throwing a misfire code doesnt make it so? Are you kidding me? Do you know how an OBD2 system works? If it throwing a code than it has misfired..and misfired enough for the ecu to say, "hey wtf, lets let this guy know somethings wrong".
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silverspec wrote:
If it throwing a code than it has misfired..and misfired enough for the ecu to say, "hey wtf, lets let this guy know somethings wrong".
ROFL... you are so wrong its not even funny.
I have had P0300 code ever since I installed my JWT cams. That was TWO years ago. Does that mean that my car has actually misfired? No it doesn't... My car never misfired 
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misfires only at idle. otherwise its perfect. no detonation. no o2 sensors. too hard to hear a vac leak cuz there isnt an exhaust. im drivin as little as possible...exhaust n sensors will be on in 2 weeks. ill narrow it down after the tune. and come back with more info. sry im on my phone...

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Black04SpecV wrote:
silverspec wrote:
If it throwing a code than it has misfired..and misfired enough for the ecu to say, "hey wtf, lets let this guy know somethings wrong".
ROFL... you are so wrong its not even funny.
I have had P0300 code ever since I installed my JWT cams. That was TWO years ago. Does that mean that my car has actually misfired? No it doesn't... My car never misfired
Yes, acctually it does. You may not even know it, If it threw the code, it fucking misfired, AT SOME POINT IN TIME. You think the thing throws codes for the hell of it? Your wrong.
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Redline, I'm jumping in late but here's my two cents. I'm not sure if you have a wideband, but if not please get one and get a base map started. With the wrx 440's in and no o2 sensors you will be running pig rich at idle and every where else for that matter. I'm talking 10's-12's easy at idle and you might be seeing 9's under partial throttle. Your plugs being doused out by too much fuel will cause a missfire. Also if you do see 9's your could be seeing a cylinder washout which is a whole other issue. Last but not least, running pig rich will cause your oil to degrade twice as quickly.....
Exhaust and/or tune, change oil, then you can start to diagnose the ses lights that MAY still be there. I have a hunch you tune your car the misfire will go away.....
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Redline, I'm jumping in late but here's my two cents. I'm not sure if you have a wideband, but if not please get one and get a base map started. With the wrx 440's in and no o2 sensors you will be running pig rich at idle and every where else for that matter. I'm talking 10's-12's easy at idle and you might be seeing 9's under partial throttle. Your plugs being doused out by too much fuel will cause a missfire. Also if you do see 9's your could be seeing a cylinder washout which is a whole other issue. Last but not least, running pig rich will cause your oil to degrade twice as quickly.....
Exhaust and/or tune, change oil, then you can start to diagnose the ses lights that MAY still be there. I have a hunch you tune your car the misfire will go away.....
BigJ= Best answers in this hole thread.
To the person above, He cant tune shit at the moment, hes on a hacked down pipe because it was meant for a different manifold. there are no 02 sensors in the car yet alone a wideband.

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preston shut the fuck up. Pregunta is telling him his best intrest is to do what he said. And he descibed what is EXACTLEY happing with his car right now, and if he keeps driving it he is going to risk fucking shit up worse. Sorry for flying off the handle but fuck! People need to pay attention and think before they write shit. damn. I still
you preston LMAO
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silverspec wrote:
preston shut the fuck up. Pregunta is telling him his best intrest is to do what he said. And he descibed what is EXACTLEY happing with his car right now, and if he keeps driving it he is going to risk fucking shit up worse. Sorry for flying off the handle but fuck! People need to pay attention and think before they write shit. damn. I still
you preston LMAO
i know i was getting read to edit my post..didnt really read anything.
skimmed it and that
me.
sorry.
i know when im not wanted

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Chris Sowa


jaja once i get my exhaust ill get my wideband back from preston

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aight. I'm drunk as hell and i thought everyone should know.

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Black04SpecV wrote:
silverspec wrote:
If it throwing a code than it has misfired..and misfired enough for the ecu to say, "hey wtf, lets let this guy know somethings wrong".
ROFL... you are so wrong its not even funny.
I have had P0300 code ever since I installed my JWT cams. That was TWO years ago. Does that mean that my car has actually misfired? No it doesn't... My car never misfired
This off-topic but that shouldn't be the case. Sounds like you are off a tooth, I've never had a code with my cams and you shouldn't either. We had a huge deal with this way back on the V-board and that was the classic tell tail sign, P0300.
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