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2008-08-26 23:41:49 (19 weeks 23 hours 47 minutes 30 seconds) #1848845 | | view posts since this          #1 

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B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

B15 rod is on the left, 07+ on the right

http://myspecv.com/07rods/CIMG3264.jpg

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2008-08-26 23:43:17 (19 weeks 23 hours 46 minutes 2 seconds) #1848849 | | view posts since this          #2 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

they arent THAT significantly different.  im wondering if now i need rods for 450+ whp

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2008-08-26 23:44:02 (19 weeks 23 hours 45 minutes 17 seconds) #1848850 | | view posts since this          #3 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

I don't think its the size...I think it's the material.


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2008-08-30 13:16:46 (18 weeks 4 days 10 hours 12 minutes 33 seconds) #1851903 | | view posts since this          #4 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

I dunno, it me, they look a lot different and beefier.  And they attach differently to the crank.


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2008-08-30 13:18:47 (18 weeks 4 days 10 hours 10 minutes 32 seconds) #1851905 | | view posts since this          #5 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

right, supposedly they attach differently to the crank, i'll do a full write on these once we get ours.


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2008-08-30 13:21:05 (18 weeks 4 days 10 hours 8 minutes 14 seconds) #1851906 | | view posts since this          #6 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

cute02spec wrote:

I dunno, it me, they look a lot different and beefier.  And they attach differently to the crank.

How are they attaching to the crank differently?

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2008-08-30 13:45:49 (18 weeks 4 days 9 hours 43 minutes 30 seconds) #1851923 | | view posts since this          #7 

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I agree with Jeff, deff not the difference i had pictured in my head


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2008-08-30 13:47:55 (18 weeks 4 days 9 hours 41 minutes 24 seconds) #1851926 | | view posts since this          #8 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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cute02spec wrote:

I dunno, it me, they look a lot different and beefier.  And they attach differently to the crank.

How are they attaching to the crank differently?

the diagram shows bolts going through the top of the big end down to the cap. not a bolt that goes into the bigend.

again, that needs to be confirmed, those those pictures don't really do much


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2008-08-30 13:52:47 (18 weeks 4 days 9 hours 36 minutes 32 seconds) #1851931 | | view posts since this          #9 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

I think people were expecting some drastic stock vs. Crower type of thing... they're still a stock production rod... still beefier and higher quality, but of course not as beefy as custom rods that cost $600-800 for one set.


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2008-09-04 14:09:04 (17 weeks 6 days 9 hours 20 minutes 15 seconds) #1855962 | | view posts since this          #10 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

So you recomended , If I go turbo  and I have the oportunity to change the rods and cam get the 2007 . The springs : the B16 or vq35hr. All those parts are direct swap.

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2008-09-04 14:10:11 (17 weeks 6 days 9 hours 19 minutes 8 seconds) #1855964 | | view posts since this          #11 

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So you recomended , If I go turbo  and I have the oportunity to change the rods and cam get the 2007 . The springs : the B16 or vq35hr. All those parts are direct swap.

The VQ35HR springs are not a direct swap.  They bind too quickly cause the install height is lower on the QR.  Other VQ35DE springs however, will work.

Edit: the B16 springs are the same specs as the B15 ones are.

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2008-09-05 20:01:02 (17 weeks 5 days 3 hours 28 minutes 17 seconds) #1857306 | | view posts since this          #12 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

I check in courtesyparts.com and they have:
SENTRA SPEC-V 2007   rod sku# 10101-B16u001 $ 71.55 ea.=$286.20 + shipping
SENTRA SPEC-V 2007  cams sku# 13020-B16u002 $ 188.21 +shipping
VQ35DE springs sku# 13203-233002 $ 5.07 ea=$81.12 + shipping
If anyone can verify if I get correct parts smiley-thankyousign

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2008-09-05 20:06:12 (17 weeks 5 days 3 hours 23 minutes 7 seconds) #1857309 | | view posts since this          #13 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

You can get the 07+ rods about $10 cheaper per rod other places. I am not sure about the rest.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/ … eid=214577
http://www.factorynissanparts.com/partl … atalogid=0

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2008-09-05 20:16:10 (17 weeks 5 days 3 hours 13 minutes 9 seconds) #1857313 | | view posts since this          #14 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

hxv00p wrote:

I check in courtesyparts.com and they have:
SENTRA SPEC-V 2007   rod sku# 10101-B16u001 $ 71.55 ea.=$286.20 + shipping
SENTRA SPEC-V 2007  cams sku# 13020-B16u002 $ 188.21 +shipping
VQ35DE springs sku# 13203-233002 $ 5.07 ea=$81.12 + shipping
If anyone can verify if I get correct parts smiley-thankyousign

if you want em that bad, i can get em for 220+tax shipping and paypal(i dunno mayb will be an extra 15-20 bucks total?)


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

dont the hr VQ springs bind?  I thought that was something that came out of the Gurov/Heidi and Nissan Sport build.  Maybe my memory serves me wrong.


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2008-09-06 06:01:08 (17 weeks 4 days 17 hours 28 minutes 11 seconds) #1857554 | | view posts since this          #16 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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The rods are reinforced in all the areas that count. The side profile alone is an amazing improvment. If you get hook up pricing, they are less than $50 apiece, which means you could pick up 3-4 SETS for what an aftermarket rod set costs. The first gen rods will support well into the 300hp and 300ft/lbs range with good tuning, they are made from a very good chrommoly steel alloy, that's the main reason the little weinny rods do so well. If you do the math that so many people hate, there is about a 100% increases in tensile loads making the jump from 6200 to a 7000 rpm redline. The main force designers look at are tensile loads because they are the highest the rods sees. The compressive force created by the turbo doesn't come close to the tensile loads near TDC on the the exhaust stroke. Because the rods are designed to deal with an extra 100% or so increase in tensile loads, they will fare better in most aspects and should support 400ft/lbs. My $.02. I plan to use these rods exclusivly when I build motors for my personal cars. They are forged chromemolly steel rods.

Hey so your saying that these rods should be able to support up to 400HP or no?

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

look at the wristpin area, the side profile and the bottom of the beam.

thats a large difference imo.

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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Big J wrote:

The rods are reinforced in all the areas that count. The side profile alone is an amazing improvment. If you get hook up pricing, they are less than $50 apiece, which means you could pick up 3-4 SETS for what an aftermarket rod set costs. The first gen rods will support well into the 300hp and 300ft/lbs range with good tuning, they are made from a very good chrommoly steel alloy, that's the main reason the little weinny rods do so well. If you do the math that so many people hate, there is about a 100% increases in tensile loads making the jump from 6200 to a 7000 rpm redline. The main force designers look at are tensile loads because they are the highest the rods sees. The compressive force created by the turbo doesn't come close to the tensile loads near TDC on the the exhaust stroke. Because the rods are designed to deal with an extra 100% or so increase in tensile loads, they will fare better in most aspects and should support 400ft/lbs. My $.02. I plan to use these rods exclusivly when I build motors for my personal cars. They are forged chromemolly steel rods.

Hey so your saying that these rods should be able to support up to 400HP or no?

They should be able to support well past 400whp.

pimpsmurf has been running 18psi on his for awhile... I think he'd go higher but ran into MAF issues.


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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Most turbo QR motors die from piston ring land (or head gasket, mainly 2002-early 2004 build dates) failures (bad tuning), not rod failures.

i've been meaning to say that...

that's a HUGE myth about how it's always the rods... and then last night when I was looking at my rods I got to thinking about all the blown engines I've seen, turbo or none, with the QR... and the major things were headgaskets and piston stuff... maybe a few spun bearings due to people being retards with oil...


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

I spun a bearing on my first QR. 2nd one I broke a rod in half, sawed through both sides(front and back) of the block on piston 1. I gave up on the QR after the second motor(and an expired warrenty smiley-argh ).


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

Big J wrote:

cute02spec wrote:

Big J wrote:

Most turbo QR motors die from piston ring land (or head gasket, mainly 2002-early 2004 build dates) failures (bad tuning), not rod failures.

i've been meaning to say that...

that's a HUGE myth about how it's always the rods... and then last night when I was looking at my rods I got to thinking about all the blown engines I've seen, turbo or none, with the QR... and the major things were headgaskets and piston stuff... maybe a few spun bearings due to people being retards with oil...

The QR is great once you bolt on a turbo. The valves don't melt, the cylinders don't crack, the crank doesn't break or walk, the motor doesn't overheat with the stock cooling system, the ECU does a very good job of handling timing and fuel if you stay with injectors under 600cc, the transmission and clutch hold well to twice the stock HP and TQ (on the street), the rods don't snap (often). Once an inexpensive piston solution pops up its golden, the pistons are the weakest link to this motor. There might be a factory piston that will work well with higher boost levels and no timing control, I've just got to get my hands on one to see.

What is the main issues with the factory pistons? Is it actually the piston or the rings?

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

problem with the pistons is both... weak ring lands means that bad tuning can cause it to crack which will directly cause problems to the piston rings if I'm not mistaken... becuz nissan decided to move the first compression ring higher on the piston( emissions related[ trap for hydrocarbons]) there isnt alot of meat there and under alot of heat and load can crack or worse


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

Would coating (TBC) the top of the factory piston help much, and of course a set of Total seal rings.

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

^^ gurov was going to look into getting all of our pistons coated.  i will have to check if that's still going to happen...


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2008-09-10 16:40:32 (17 weeks 6 hours 48 minutes 47 seconds) #1861411 | | view posts since this          #25 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

i dont think itd help the weak ringlands, maybe to add some heat protection,

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2008-09-10 17:40:26 (17 weeks 5 hours 48 minutes 53 seconds) #1861497 | | view posts since this          #26 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

cute02spec wrote:

^^ gurov was going to look into getting all of our pistons coated.  i will have to check if that's still going to happen...

Are you still using factory pistons? I am probably wrong, but I was thinking that reflecting the heat off of the piston instead of the piston absorbing the heat would help against cracking. i don't know, just aa thought.

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2008-09-10 21:01:30 (17 weeks 2 hours 27 minutes 49 seconds) #1861698 | | view posts since this          #27 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

yep, we're keeping factory pistons for the time being.


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2008-09-10 21:43:08 (17 weeks 1 hour 46 minutes 11 seconds) #1861751 | | view posts since this          #28 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

all the cool kids have forged low compression pistons smiley-laugh


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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all the cool kids have forged low compression pistons smiley-laugh

must be nice on the smiley-bandwagon

smiley-laugh


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2008-09-10 21:50:09 (17 weeks 1 hour 39 minutes 10 seconds) #1861758 | | view posts since this          #30 

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

its the bandsentra okay, which just so happens to be boosted and built haha


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

so do these 07+ pistons swap straight into the 04-06 specv blocks or is there more to this then just buying them and bolting them in


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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so do these 07+ pistons swap straight into the 04-06 specv blocks or is there more to this then just buying them and bolting them in

+1??

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

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blackout_V wrote:

so do these 07+ pistons swap straight into the 04-06 specv blocks or is there more to this then just buying them and bolting them in

+1??

Wait I thought you guys are talking about rods... I have no clue about the pistons, but i know that the rods are straight swap...


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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

will the 07 rods work on a 02spec v? i have a 04 v and blew the engine and i swapped a 02 in. i hope i can still use the 07 rods

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Re: B15 Rods vs. 07+ Rods

Yes.


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