
Jeff



so I have an offer from Ksport to make a BBK. Front, rear, both, whatever I want. Pricing is pretty good so I can complain. Anyways, i need to pros/cons of larger rotors, 4 vs. 6 vs. 8 piston calipers, etc. Im not brake stupid but I am BBK stupid. They are offering me a 14" front rotor w/ 8 piston caliper. I can get 13", 6piston but for $300, i get the bigger ones. We have 12.6" rotors stock, so its not a HUGE increase but pretty significant. They said they'll make me a rear kit, whatever size, 12-14" rotors too.
opinons welcome .... please provide any/all info u wish.
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cartman


lol lets see how this goes..
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Blake

sounds good. All I really want is some damn decent rotars...didnt Rako have a BBK made? pretty sure he said 2K for the kit
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So Hungry I could ride a horse



I was reading an article in grassroots motorsports about BBKs which gave some very pertinent information. I will look for the article online and see what I can find.
One thing they said is to drive at different speeds, low to high and slam the brakes on. If you can lock them up, you don't need more clamping force/torque so upgrading to say the 8 piston caliper is overkill.
ill search and link if I can
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jeremy


overkill and stupid imho. no reason for a street car to ever have more than 4 pistons. much less a 14" rotor on an economy car. even Mike Kojima didn't use 14" rotors on his RACE car and 450hp.
mike's blog wrote:
Since the horsepower and tire upgrades, the demands placed on our braking system have gone up considerably. Although perfectly adequate for street use, the stock brakes were not designed for repeated high-speed use for extended periods.
We called upon the experts at Stoptech to cure our brake issues. Stoptech gave us a racing brake kit with ST40 4-piston calipers and 13-inch floating rotors. These brakes should slow us down from any anticipated speed with ease.
We chose Stoptech front brakes because they offer the proper piston size for the calipers to maintain correct hydraulic proportioning. Typically, aftermarket brake upgrades have far too much front brake bias and a mushy pedal due to the use of a large pistoned racing brake caliper. Fortunately, Stoptech does not have this issue because of the correct caliper piston sizing for each application, which maintains the brake balance near the stock balance.
For the rear brakes, we used Fastbrakes slotted rear rotors with the stock calipers. Since the front brakes of a nos- heavy FWD car like the Spec-V do 80 percent of the work, the stock rear brakes would work fine with a simple rotor upgrade.
Although the Stoptech brakes are big, they are actually about 6 pounds lighter than the stock brakes due to the aluminum alloy construction.
For our front and rear rotors we chose slotted-over-drilled rotors. Slotted and drilled rotors help brake performance because they provide a place for vaporized brake material to escape under hard braking. This material acts like a lubricant and reduces the brakes effectiveness under hard use. We used slotted rotors because drilled rotors often crack under hard racing use.
For front brake pads, we chose Performance Friction’s 01 Compound. This brake pad compound has good bite even at very high temperatures. For the rear we used Carbotech XP10 Compound, we have found this to work exceptionally well on the rear brakes of FWD cars.
To fine tune our front-to-rear brake bias, we installed a Tilton Brake proportioning valve from Bits n Pieces Motorsports. This valve allows us to decrease or increase the amount of rear braking power from inside the cabin instantly to compensate for fuel load or driver style.
Finally, we filled and bled our brake system with Motul RBF 600 brake fluid. Motul brake fluid has excellent boiling resistant properties at very high temperatures.
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8 piston is so extremely overkill.
many dtm bmws and drift cars have just 4 pistons in the front and 2 in the back.
ap racing usually only makes up to 6 piston kits.
i would stick with a nice reliable 4 piston in the front, and im working on getting the rear brake kit made for us.
oh and rotora is universal for the 4/5 lug 07+ sentra.

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Jeff



rakonismo wrote:
8 piston is so extremely overkill.
many dtm bmws and drift cars have just 4 pistons in the front and 2 in the back.
ap racing usually only makes up to 6 piston kits.
i would stick with a nice reliable 4 piston in the front, and im working on getting the rear brake kit made for us.
oh and rotora is universal for the 4/5 lug 07+ sentra.
is urs a 14", 4 piston? come with SS lines?
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i think mine is either a 13 inch or 14 inch. dont remember.
stainless steel lines came with it.
i got the blue, cause im a bamf 

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Jeff



ok cool. also, ksport only has slotted, no drilled. i see in ur sig, the rotora is both cross-drilled and slotted. thats nice.
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jeremy


you don't want drilled. slotted if you must have the 'look'
i still have those 4 pots i talked to you a little about. just need a bracket.
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Jeff



sticky667 wrote:
you don't want drilled. slotted if you must have the 'look'
i still have those 4 pots i talked to you a little about. just need a bracket.
LOL... ur determined to sell me on em, ey? what rotors would i use? and what cost am i looking at?
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go to api to have em fab up a bracket for you.
who knows you may be sitting on a gold mine.
although i must admit, i love my rotoras 

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Mike



4 piston, 13" rotors, and ss lines and be done with it and do maybe a 12" rear rotor with a relocation kit for the stock rear caliper
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Jeff



our stock rotors are 12.6" already front.... i think about 11" rear. I wonder if we can swap out front rotors to the rear. HMMMM
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i was thinking of doing that to be honest.
calipers are great.
but the rotors are shit.
im selling my stock brakes to whoever wants them.

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Mike



MajorMods wrote:
our stock rotors are 12.6" already front.... i think about 11" rear. I wonder if we can swap out front rotors to the rear. HMMMM
front rotors are alot wider than rear rotors so no you cant
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jeremy


cost is dependent on if you can find a cheap set. new at the dealer they are 400$/each. i picked up my set for 150$ for the pair off a part out.
you can use your stock rotors or something larger.. 13" or whatever... i wouldn't see any reason to use a much larger rotor though. the increasing clamping force of the 4 pots will be enough. if you go with such a large rotor, the brake torque will be too much for the rear bias and you will lock the brakes to easy.
the bracket is actually easily adjustable to different sizes.. the way the caliper mounts is "radial" which would make it easy to add any size spacer for however large a rotor you want. the only constraint is the width.. max is 25mm.
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jeremy


shit. just realized you have 28mm fronts. there is an alternative.. will cost a little more though.
guess the ones i have will only work for b15's!
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ror



are you plannign on doing any type of road racing?
see, the reason, your wheels whill lock up when going from really fast to a dead stop, is because obviously, you just slammed on the brakes at 80 mph, there is a proper technique to be learned to applying your brakes when you dont have abs, not just slamming on them, shti im sure the stock brakes on any car will lock up with out abs, if you hit them hard enough
i say go with the big kit, i dont remember where ive read it, but a bigger rotor, WILL help with stopping power
if ytou were paying full price for them, id be weary, but if your getting a deal on them, why not?

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Don



omar wrote:
are you plannign on doing any type of road racing?
see, the reason, your wheels whill lock up when going from really fast to a dead stop, is because obviously, you just slammed on the brakes at 80 mph, there is a proper technique to be learned to applying your brakes when you dont have abs, not just slamming on them, shti im sure the stock brakes on any car will lock up with out abs, if you hit them hard enough
i say go with the big kit, i dont remember where ive read it, but a bigger rotor, WILL help with stopping power
if ytou were paying full price for them, id be weary, but if your getting a deal on them, why not?
That's a misconception. Brake kits have to be balanced front to rear or you actually get longer stopping distances. You end up locking the front brakes before the rears even engage.
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rotora wants to do a 4 piston rear, just right now they got projects up the ass and sema coming up.
4 piston front and rear would make this car stop on a dime.
it would be expensive... but man would it be fun 

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ror



donspecv02 wrote:
omar wrote:
are you plannign on doing any type of road racing?
see, the reason, your wheels whill lock up when going from really fast to a dead stop, is because obviously, you just slammed on the brakes at 80 mph, there is a proper technique to be learned to applying your brakes when you dont have abs, not just slamming on them, shti im sure the stock brakes on any car will lock up with out abs, if you hit them hard enough
i say go with the big kit, i dont remember where ive read it, but a bigger rotor, WILL help with stopping power
if ytou were paying full price for them, id be weary, but if your getting a deal on them, why not?That's a misconception. Brake kits have to be balanced front to rear or you actually get longer stopping distances. You end up locking the front brakes before the rears even engage.
i was under the impression he was doing both front and rear kits?

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even with both front and rear...
its ridiculous.
8 piston brakes on a 3000 pound car would swing the back end out, if you slammed on the brakes they would completely clamp up and lock at a moments notice.
they would not be efficient, in fact they would be deadly if anything.
rotora has been around for years.
ive seen what happened to alicia with k sport's coilovers.
im not saying this just cause im sponsored.
but rotora did their homework on this one.

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Ryan aka Marve

no one doubts that rotora has done good work... just no one wants to pay 2k for breaks.

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Jeff



ryan wrote:
no one doubts that rotora has done good work... just no one wants to pay 2k for breaks.
no one wants to but people will 
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the real benefit is ease of brake pad change.
nissan currently charges 300 for just swapping front pads and resurfacing front rotors.
it took me 5 minutes to find out how to change my brake pads with gavin.
and the process was like 3 or 4 steps...

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Don



rakonismo wrote:
the real benefit is ease of brake pad change.
nissan currently charges 300 for just swapping front pads and resurfacing front rotors.
it took me 5 minutes to find out how to change my brake pads with gavin.
and the process was like 3 or 4 steps...
Most shops I know charge about $50/axle for pads AND rotors lol.
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racer X





donspecv02 wrote:
rakonismo wrote:
the real benefit is ease of brake pad change.
nissan currently charges 300 for just swapping front pads and resurfacing front rotors.
it took me 5 minutes to find out how to change my brake pads with gavin.
and the process was like 3 or 4 steps...Most shops I know charge about $50/axle for pads AND rotors lol.
ya...that must be a Cali thing then.

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people are fuckin idiots out here.
my grandma's house maid didnt change her oil for over 10k miles in her altima and blew a flame straight out of her fuckin engine, roasted the whole damn hood and caught the front clip of the car on fire.
they spent 7 grand fixing it and the car right now is worth about 3...
fuckin idiots lol.

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Don



rakonismo wrote:
people are fuckin idiots out here.
my grandma's house maid didnt change her oil for over 10k miles in her altima and blew a flame straight out of her fuckin engine, roasted the whole damn hood and caught the front clip of the car on fire.
they spent 7 grand fixing it and the car right now is worth about 3...
fuckin idiots lol.
lolz.
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Matt Pitt


i say 4 pot fronts and 2 rear, getting overly huge rotors is retarded too. the larger the rotor the heavier itll be and have more rotational mass. putting huge rotors on will have similar effects to putting larger rims on, look cool but make the car slower.



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Kevin




Are they race brakes you can use on a track or are they just for looks and will fade on you if you stomp on them going high speed?


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Jeff



they are race brakes, meant for hard braking BUT i think its overkill, as everyone is stating
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Anthony

Can we just get some good replacement rotors? lol


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jeremy


rotora has never been a brake manufacturer either.
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Jeff



are too... http://www.rotora.com/
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jeremy


no really. they aren't. i highly doubt they do any R&D. they only adjust their brackets to fit different cars and bigger is better is their motto.
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jeremy


btw. site is down!
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jeremy


if anything. .just get some wilwood dynalites and you'll be set. 4 pot and lightweight.
http://www.wilwood.com/Products/001-Cal … /index.asp
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rotora site isnt down...
and they actually did need my car for a couple of days for measuring, testing, initial braking with stock brakes, then they decided on what size and how many pistons to go with, then made a sick 4 lug and 5 lug 2 piece rotor. brackets are the same as any other of their 4 pistons... but this kit is made to be bolt on and go with everything else on the car stock.
Last edited by rakonismo (2008-08-19 22:23:26)

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Jeff



which is why I want it.
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