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2008-06-09 22:09:02 (25 weeks 2 days 55 minutes 3 seconds) #1775770 | | view posts since this          #1 

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How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

This is referenced straight from the Nissan Service Manual

From a 2004 Spec V, but the same for all Nissan's with electronic TB and accelerator pedal.

I hope this is beneficial to all who use it. Note: Timing in this procedure is critical in order for it to be successful.


PREPARATION
Before performing Idle Air Volume Learning, make sure that all of the following conditions are satisfied. Learning will be cancelled if any of the following conditions are missed for even a moment.
           ● Battery Voltage: More than 12.9V (At idle)
           ● Engine coolant temperature : 158-203°F
           ● For A/T vehicles: PNP (Park/Neutral Position) switch: ON
                   M/T vehicles: Neutral switch: ON
           ● Electrical load switch: OFF
              (Air conditioner, headlamp, rear window defogger)
              On vehicles equipped with daytime light systems, if the parking brake is applied
              before the engine is started, the headlamp will not be illuminated.
           ● Steering wheel: Neutral (straight-ahead position)
           ● Vehicle speed: Stopped
           ● Transmission: Warmed-up (Drive vehicle for 10 minutes)
             

OPERATION PROCEDURE
Without Consult-II
NOTE:  ● It is better to count the time accurately with a clock.
           ● It is impossible to switch the diagnostic mode when an accelerator pedal position 
              sensor circuit has a malfunction.


1.   Perform "Accelerator Pedal Released Position Learning"
                 a) Make sure accelerator pedal is fully released.
                 b) Turn ignition ON and wait at least 2 seconds.
                 c) Turn ignition OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.
                 d) Turn ignition ON and wait at least 2 seconds.
                 e) Turn ignition OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.

2.   Perform "Throttle Valve Closed Position Learning"
                 a) Make sure accelerator pedal is fully released.
                 b) Turn ignition ON.
                 c) Turn ignition OFF wait at least 10 seconds.
                     Make sure that throttle valve moves during above 10 seconds by confirming
                     the operation sound.
     
3.   Start engine and warm it up to normal operating temperature.
     
4.   Check that all items listed under the topic "PREPARATION" (previously mentioned) are in
      good order.

5.   Turn ignition OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.

6.   Confirm that accelerator pedal is fully released, turn ignition switch ON and wait 3
      seconds.

7.   Repeat the following procedure quickly five times within 5 seconds.
                 a) Fully depress the accelerator pedal.
                 b) Fully release the accelerator pedal.

8.   Wait 7 seconds, fully depress the accelerator pedal and hold for approx. 20 seconds untill
      MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp, a.k.a. SES light) stops blinking and is turned ON.

9.   Fully release the accelerator pedal within 3 seconds after MIL (SES) turned ON.

10. Start engine and let it idle.

11. Wait 20 seconds.


     Procedure timing chart
IAVL pic.bmp
     

12. Rev up the engine two or three times and make sure that idle speed and ignition timing
     are within the specifications.

________________________________
     ITEM                       SPECIFICATION
    ________________________________
     Idle speed               700±50 rpm
    ________________________________
     Ignition timing         15±5° BTDC
________________________________


13. If idle speed and ignition timing are not within the specification, Idle Air Volume Learning will not be carried out successfully. Further diagnosis may be required.


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

I like this one more than the old ones.  Nice find, maybe sticky worthy.


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2008-06-10 22:05:33 (25 weeks 1 day 58 minutes 32 seconds) #1776624 | | view posts since this          #3 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

yea, this is the closest thing that i could do without scanning the pages from the ESM and posting them up. don't know if i can do that... may be legal issues, so i just wanted to be safe.

anyway, glad you like it. one thing i've never seen posted was the info in the PREP section, which can be just as important as the procedure itself. so, there it is...


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

yeah the prep section is what i like most.  this is gunna replace the old how-to.  sticky!

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

SWEET! glad its worthy of an official sticky!

let me know if you want anything else from the ESM

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2008-06-13 19:45:11 (24 weeks 5 days 3 hours 18 minutes 54 seconds) #1779376 | | view posts since this          #6 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Thanks for this - you saved my car from it's own Obsessive Compulsive Disorder twitch.

I had an idle problem on my 2005 SE-R SpecV in which the car would repeatedly rev to 2000 RPM, drop to 1500 and bounce back to 2000. It would do this any time the revs got below 2000 and the accelerator pedal was all the way out.

I did the re-learn procedure and at first it appeared like it had not fixed the problem. I revved the engine a couple times as it says in step 12 and it was still doing it.

*** Then I tried holding on the brake and slipping the clutch in 1st so that it would slow the engine down to the specified RPM range. Suddenly the car stopped revving itself and it hung at the perfect idle RPM. It seems to be fixed now.

10. Start engine and let it idle.

11. Wait 20 seconds.
 
12. Rev up the engine two or three times and make sure that idle speed and ignition timing
     are within the specifications. (700±50 rpm)

13. If idle speed and ignition timing are not within the specification, Idle Air Volume Learning will not be carried out successfully. Further diagnosis may be required.  *** It may be necessary to force the engine to idle at the desired rpm range to cause the relearn to happen. ***


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2008-06-27 01:31:55 (22 weeks 5 days 21 hours 32 minutes 10 seconds) #1791101 | | view posts since this          #7 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Well the Accelerator Pedal Released Position Learning procedure went without a hitch. Unfortunately, when the instructions say the SES will be blinking, it never did. Tried it a couple times. looks like i'm cornholed into buying a TB....


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

you aren't doing it correctly then.  keep trying.  use a stopwatch if you have to.


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2008-06-27 02:40:05 (22 weeks 5 days 20 hours 24 minutes) #1791144 | | view posts since this          #9 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

lets just say that this is THE biggest pain in the ass to do but i got it done after about 2-3 hours...

one thing though... my safc only reads 91% throttle when im at WOT. what could be wrong?

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

When you're right, you're right. I got the whole procedure to go through! the idle is back where it should be and stays there!

This was a bit frustrating, but it worked eventually!

I assume that this DTC takes a certain number of trips/parameters to be reset. I'll have the boys at AZ clear the code in the morning.

Thanks Guys

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Ha, wahoo I'm good smiley-laugh


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Spec Jay wrote:

lets just say that this is THE biggest pain in the ass to do but i got it done after about 2-3 hours...

one thing though... my safc only reads 91% throttle when im at WOT. what could be wrong?

Your throttle position setting was probably so far out of wack that you will need to re-initialize your safc, and redo the safc throttle position test.  Just follow the how-to for safc setup.


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

woohoo!

After getting my engine replaced about 3 weeks ago my idle was acting crazy.

Did the idle relearn and all is good now. I would put emphasis on the make sure you let go of the gas pedal and start the car in the 3 second time frame though. I tried the idle relearn about 10 times when I actually did that part right it worked. Now idling at 750 and lovin it.  smiley-tup


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

My car does this but only stays up for like 5 seconds then drops and idles perfectly.

Anyone else like this?


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Deff not lookin forward to doing this. 

No patience


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I completed an I/H/E install recently and did move the 2nd o2 sensor. I got my SES light to go off and am idling at 750. However, sometimes after accelerating and then coasting, the rpms will stick at the high number before coming down to 750. Will this process help that?


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04SpecSentra wrote:

I completed an I/H/E install recently and did move the 2nd o2 sensor. I got my SES light to go off and am idling at 750. However, sometimes after accelerating and then coasting, the rpms will stick at the high number before coming down to 750. Will this process help that?

It should


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skinzdogg wrote:

04SpecSentra wrote:

I completed an I/H/E install recently and did move the 2nd o2 sensor. I got my SES light to go off and am idling at 750. However, sometimes after accelerating and then coasting, the rpms will stick at the high number before coming down to 750. Will this process help that?

It should

It did!

I asked cause I had gone out to try it and did not get the SES light to blink. Why go through all the trouble of getting the timing down if it doesnt matter? Of course the first time I tried it after posting the original message it worked perfectly.


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

I had a slightly high idle and for some reason this made it worse... any ideas?? My idle was around 1000rpms and it would creep down slowly. So, I do this and it's now bouncing between 1500 and 2000 rpms. And I believe I did the procedure correctly about 8 different times (over maybe a 3 hour total time span). Should I wait a few minutes for the idle relearn to adjust one the car is on--instead of the "20 seconds" mentioned. Or is it BOV related somehow?? I am really confused. And I replaced my throttle body about 6 months ago so it really shouldn't be that.

***It turned out I just needed to remove my unichip and do the relearn and then plug the unichip back in afterwards. The relearn worked great--Thanks!

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

OMG That was a great post!! My RPM's were at about 2500 i tried the other post it didnt work but i tried yours and it worked great car is back down to its normal idle thanks alot man. OHHHHH btw got the engine back in my car today so its up and running again but when i started it, it just reved high and would not go away so thanks again man

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

I tried doing the procedure, but for some reason every time i would do it I couldn't get the damn SES light to blink? Any Suggestions of what I might me doing wrong.

****My situation is that when i allow the car to coast, the RPM's bounces back and forth between 1500-2000 and then slowly goes back down. Trying to solve this prob by using the procedure.


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Kez 06<SpecV> wrote:

I tried doing the procedure, but for some reason every time i would do it I couldn't get the damn SES light to blink? Any Suggestions of what I might me doing wrong.

****My situation is that when i allow the car to coast, the RPM's bounces back and forth between 1500-2000 and then slowly goes back down. Trying to solve this prob by using the procedure.

You have to time it fairly precisely.  Use a watch or count 1 one thousand, 2 one thousand.


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Also make sure the wheels are straight ahead, a/c off, and that the car is at operating temps.


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

I guess my timing is off....I'll try it again. Ill let you know if i made it through...Thanks Don


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Kez 06<SpecV> wrote:

I guess my timing is off....I'll try it again. Ill let you know if i made it through...Thanks Don

i watched my headunit count for about 2 minutes till i got my internal metronome synced... it sounds stupid, but it worked for me


First, take a big step back... and literally, FUCK YOUR OWN FACE! I don't know what kind of pan-pacific bullshit power play you're trying to pull here, but Asia Jack is my territory. So whatever you're thinking, you'd better think again! Otherwise I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down in a Godly fucking firestorm upon you! You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking about a scorched earth, motherfucker! I will massacre you! I WILL FUCK YOU UP!

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2008-10-25 10:33:26 (5 weeks 4 days 12 hours 30 minutes 39 seconds) #1903912 | | view posts since this          #26 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

My car idles at 1500 after cleaning out the throtte body. Never had a ses light come on and idle relearn procedure doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions besides replacing tb.

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2008-10-25 16:31:47 (5 weeks 4 days 6 hours 32 minutes 18 seconds) #1904109 | | view posts since this          #27 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Did you clean the MAF?


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2008-10-26 01:30:22 (5 weeks 3 days 21 hours 33 minutes 43 seconds) #1904404 | | view posts since this          #28 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

i just did this, worked like a charm on the first try. i love this site more.


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2008-10-26 23:59:42 (5 weeks 2 days 23 hours 4 minutes 23 seconds) #1905062 | | view posts since this          #29 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

IN my specv nissan replaced the engine and never did a idle relearn because of the aem air intake. but the car has been running alright the idle is just a little high at about 900 rpm.


if it's worth doing it's worth over doing

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2008-11-04 19:50:04 (4 weeks 1 day 2 hours 14 minutes 1 second) #1914018 | | view posts since this          #30 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

i can get the light to blink every single time. but i dont think im doin the rest right because its not cooperating lol

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2008-11-08 20:36:39 (3 weeks 4 days 1 hour 27 minutes 26 seconds) #1917870 | | view posts since this          #31 

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

ok so i did the relearn but then the SES light came back on tried it again but for some reason step 8. didnt go through .   


8.Wait 7 seconds, fully depress the accelerator pedal and hold for approx. 20 seconds untill
      MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp, a.k.a. SES light) stops blinking and is turned ON.


any sugestions

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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Steady wrote:

ok so i did the relearn but then the SES light came back on tried it again but for some reason step 8. didnt go through .   


8.Wait 7 seconds, fully depress the accelerator pedal and hold for approx. 20 seconds untill
      MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp, a.k.a. SES light) stops blinking and is turned ON.


any sugestions

When you finish the relearn you have to clear the code that you threw


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Re: How To: Official Idle Relearn procedure (new)

Woohoo  :-)

I've had this issue on my wifes '04 Altima ever since a TB cleaning and it's been driving me nuts. Found this site today, tried this procedure a couple times (had to put it in gear after the last step to bring the RPMs down to normal, that was the trick) and now it's much happier.

Just wanted to say thanks!  I'll stick around for more tips on this car (I'm a Jeep guy myself) to keep the wife happy.

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