Funny, guess they kinda support street racing in some way.

thanks for the heads up cause i didnt know this was going on

If a dealership did that I would call a lawyer.  It would have to specifically say in the warranty that "in any event this particular vehicle is used for purposes strictly under the terms of "racing" this particular vehicles warranty will be null and void"  Have him read his warranty paperwork.

I just went through my Warranty Information Booklet and it says under WHAT IS NOT COVERED "Misuse(your OWNER"S MANUAL is your guide to proper use"   It does not state anywhere in the Owner's Manual that racing in a closed course environment (ie race track) is misuse of the vehicle.  The only thing I found that could even be construed as being close in a really dumb way is the part in the Owners manual on Suggested maximum speed in each gear which is on page 5-12.  And how could they drop your insurance for racing on private property not breaking any laws.  Eh I don't think this all ads up.

Here is a link to the NASA forum that talks about it a little more: Click me

If this is true I don't see how they can void your warranty, you are on private property and on a closed course, just because you might be "beating" on your car a lil bit doesn't mean you are hurting it, people do far worse on any given day on the street.

another thing whats really crazy is as one of the selling points that a car company uses  to puff up the car to be sold is to either:

A. give the car a lot of power that can't even be used for daily street driving or,
B. give one of these cars to a road and track type magazine company and let them literally beat the shit out of the car to allow them to measure the "performance" ie: quarter mile runs, slolem course, stopping distance, and whatever else they do to these test vehicles.

if these companys want to start pulling these moves then plan to start reading stories about law suits and other court hearings about them trying to do this.

another thing that doesnt make sense is that your insurance would be cancled because the
only way they can justify cancling your policy is if you get convicted of reckless driving or street racing.

the whole spy bullshit seems really bizarre also but honestly in this day and age you don't know what car manufactures would do to "get out" of fixing a car. I live on the east coast and I have never heard of this as of yet (till I read this post)

I guess I just find it all really crazy but I can see how even the smallest mod to your gives them the right to say nope we're not fixing your car because you installed this aftermarket part and we THINK that is to blame and then your SOL, unless its a major repair and you know that you can win you can fire back the "moss warranty act".

I'm not saying this isn't true because like I said before it doesn't surprise me that companies would go this far. I will definatly be covering the vin plate on my car with a lil piece of painters tape when I go, but I don't know how I can pull off the tag removal because one sure thing is the tracks rules are set in stone and they will not allow a vehicle to run on the track that drives in to the track and is not tagged and insured, I guess I could try to keep the tags under the seat while I run butthe track even takes your tag number down when you pay at the entrance gate and sign the waiver, atleast they did 2 years ago when I took my old car to run up there.

Lava.  I have heard of people with similar issues here in MD actually.  at MIR and capital.  I never covered my VIN.  But did cover my plates.  and in the future after this.  Will start removing the plates and covering the VIN.

That is all

good to know, I think the track down here in Va won't let you run without plates though, I have to double check.

frontpaged, this practice is fucking bullshit.

reddragon: please edit your first post with the location of >ALL< the vin numbers and where they can be found so they can be covered up. i believe this deserves very serious attention.

gurov wrote:

kc03spec-v wrote:

serious wrote:

good to know, I think the track down here in Va won't let you run without plates though, I have to double check.

Uh?

purpose built race cars, dont have plates?

"car's trailored, has no plates, fuck off"

Lawl

Suicidalspd06 wrote:

kc03spec-v wrote:

serious wrote:

good to know, I think the track down here in Va won't let you run without plates though, I have to double check.

Uh?

purpose built race cars, dont have plates?

It depends. I raced NMCA Tru-Street. I required that you have legal sate reg, insurance card and do a 30 mile drive before hitting the track. Not to mention, you are not allowed to pop hoods between drive and first run.

I have heard of this so many times, but never new of it happening to anyone.

So tell me. How does Car and Driver and others beat the shit out of these cars, do track tests of all kinds and still do reviews of warranty work along the way.

There has to be something prohibiting them for taking your warranty away. I can beat on my car just as hard on the street.

my guess would be that car and driver might be smart, and check who they invite to spectate their tests. if the agent didn't see the VIN/plate number, there's nothing they can do. which is why this is a very SIMPLE thing to do. cover your plate/vin when you go to the track.

Suicidalspd06 wrote:

kc03spec-v wrote:

serious wrote:

good to know, I think the track down here in Va won't let you run without plates though, I have to double check.

Uh?

purpose built race cars, dont have plates?

It depends. I raced NMCA Tru-Street. I required that you have legal sate reg, insurance card and do a 30 mile drive before hitting the track. Not to mention, you are not allowed to pop hoods between drive and first run.

I have heard of this so many times, but never new of it happening to anyone.

So tell me. How does Car and Driver and others beat the shit out of these cars, do track tests of all kinds and still do reviews of warranty work along the way.

There has to be something prohibiting them for taking your warranty away. I can beat on my car just as hard on the street.

They also, rent out tracks.

Rent out as in, They are allowed in, others are not.

Suicidalspd06 wrote:

But dealers and car companies know what they are doing with the car. So why not void there warranty?

uh....

So b.c. they know car and driver are gonna test 1 spec-v out of 5789028349 made, they sghould void all warrentys on all spec-vs just to be safe..right?

This has been pretty well known for several years since Mitsubishi started spying on Evo owners to void warranties. I'm not even a drag guy and thought this was pretty well known among most car enthusiasts.

This thread is now one of my stickies for when I go hopefully next year. All I need to worry about is the insurance company, but then again, if they take off the insurance, I'll let the bank repossess my car. I'm paying too much for it anyway and want to get an MR2. The spec is my beginner car. LOL.

Either way, now I know to remove the plates and cover the vin#. Thanks guys.

insurance companies don't cover you if u have any type of wreak or anything on the track. also it depends on what car u drive and  where u take u car to. some dealers my be assholes and if for what ever reason u blow ur engine on a car that 9 months old, can track connecting   dealer scan tool   how fast ur where going, what RPM, if anything like a chip has been plug in and taken out. stuff like that gos into the none erasable memory.. im in school for auto tech  and the more i learn about this  engine performance  the more i know my warranty my cover in case anything happens.. there is a thin line on warranty , sometimes is up to the dealer.

Like subaru would GIVE FREE scca memberships, when you bought a wrx/sti

only to void it right then.

Sirl wrote:

I guess it depends on what car you have as well.

The first few years that Suby came out with the WRX, you actually got a free 1 year memebership to the SCCA and they encouraged you to take your car to the track, rally/road course etc.

I wanted to say that I heard about this too and its total bullshit, just rumours.  But, if it really happened  to your friend, then I guess its not.

when my friend bought his 02 wrx he told me he got a year in the scca, but if he registered then his warranty was null and void.

specv118 wrote:

kc03spec-v wrote:

When i worked at mazda.

Anytime we did work on the rx-8's or Mazda speeds, we had to take pics of the engine bay, intake bolts yada yada yada, THEN send them to Mazda, then THEY Would OK us for the warrenty work.

And out Service manager, would take pics of cars out at the track, and Flag them.

Now, me being a tech, and also a car enthusiest, If you have a turbo on your car, and your clutch is wasted, i am not gonna cover that...I will try to get you all i can, under the mass mogey act, BUT, there is a limit....

I used to work for mazda, and I've never had to do that and ive done my fair share of rx-8 warranty work, nor did my service manager ever do things like that. Maybe its due to the different part of the country but, that sounds a little crazy to me..

mostly likely depends on the proximity to tracks and how big racing is in that area.  obviously somewhere in bumfuck nowhere isn't going to bother people about this like a dealership down the road from a couple of tracks where someone is trying to get there performance-minded car warrantied.

davabran wrote:

you dont register your vin/plate for scca do you?

I don't know about SCCA... but along similar lines...

Englishtown Raceway Park does NOT require plate/VIN numbers for applying for permanent race numbers.  All they want is the make, model, and year of car and engine for announcement purposes.  Which is a +1 for me cuz I have two cars under my number plated with two different states 2000 miles apart, heh.