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2007-07-24 22:47:04 (1 year 24 weeks 9 hours 58 minutes 32 seconds) #111845 | | view posts since this          #1 

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How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

Where to start.....first off....idon't claim to have run the best times...or be the best driver at all...these are nothing more then tools...but pretty damn good ones...after all i have cut double 0 reaction times and 2.0 60 foot times on street tires with 400+whp on a FWD.....

ok...three things are key when working on launching the car.

1. tire pressure
2. tire temperature
3. nerves


First thing you need to do is check your tire pressures. this will effect how well you can stick a launch on any car with any tire. there is no set psi every tire needs to be set at. you will have to play with your individual tires to find what works best for your setup. remember when doing this to not take TOO much air out on the first run either.....when you're at the track you can alway take more air out...but try putting more in! smiley-wink  typically i wouldn't suggest going below 20 psi on street tires. but slowly work your way down there till you find what grabs best. on drag radials or slicks you can actually run lower...i've ran 12 psi before, but it didn't make much a difference and just risked breaking a bead on the tire. remember, it's all about traction, and taking out air pressure allows the tire to flatten more giving more surface area to create traction.

tire temperature....this is where i see so many people just fly through the burnout box and not use it for what it's intended. the burnout box serves TWO purposes....1 it cleans the tires, 2 it lets you warm them up. warm tires will net you the best 60's...and i don't car what anyone says. 60 foot times are the key to goo E.T.'s....now...another thing i hear alot is you don'twant to burn street tires much...just clean them off...horse shit!!!!! which sticks better? warm tar? or cold hard tar? now mind you....it doesn't take near the burnout to warm them up that is does for DR's or slicks. next big mistake....when you pull into the burnout box, don't stop IN the burnout box....pull past the water or you're just defeating the purpose. usually when i'm in a fwd car i will dip the tires through the box and rest the back tires in the box. if you do a decent burnout you will actually "feel" the tires start to stick. this also makes sure you're not just spinning water up into your wheel wells which once you stage will just drip back onto the tire and cause you to loose traction when you launch. remember...if there's no rubber shreds in your wheel well after the run...you did somethingwrong! LOL

last but not least....staging and launching, and this is where the nerves kick in. if you're nervous off the launch...you'll botch it up. every time. here' is the best way i've found tolaunch without having to be nervous and jittery. find what rpm you like to launch at...for this example i'll say 3500 rpms (which is about right for a n/a spec) now remebr proper track manners too....usually i will stage one light...let the other guy stage one light....at that point i wait for him to stage the second light. then i get my rpms up to lauch rpm (3500) and get it steady. then bump the clutch to get the second stage light lit. the biggest reason for this is once i'm in place i'm ready to go as soon as the light drops. no need to be nervous or rushed trying to get my rpms where i want them before the hammer drops. i usually launch at 3500 and take off right in the middle of the second to the last light. this gets me off the line with a great reaction time 90% of the time. the rest is all up to you. slip the clutch and hammer the gas...if you slip the clutch just right (takes practice) you'll spin for a split second and the tires will grab and go.




remember...tires and nerves...those are the biggest keys...the rest is up to practice. feel free to add anything or ask any questions.


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2007-07-24 23:19:18 (1 year 24 weeks 9 hours 26 minutes 18 seconds) #111863 | | view posts since this          #2 

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

good writeup.. i always stuck to the "dont burn up the strret tires itll make it slicker".. no wonder my 60ft times suck


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2007-07-24 23:28:07 (1 year 24 weeks 9 hours 17 minutes 29 seconds) #111865 | | view posts since this          #3 

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nismospecv06 wrote:

good writeup.. i always stuck to the "dont burn up the strret tires itll make it slicker".. no wonder my 60ft times suck

agreed, im going to have to try burning them out a bit. when you guys do burnouts? do you put the car in second gear? my ebrake sucks ass too


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2007-07-24 23:30:17 (1 year 24 weeks 9 hours 15 minutes 19 seconds) #111866 | | view posts since this          #4 

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

Yea man, when I was on street tires, no burnout was cutting 2.2-2.3 60's... With burnout went to 2.0-2.1.

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2007-07-24 23:31:51 (1 year 24 weeks 9 hours 13 minutes 45 seconds) #111867 | | view posts since this          #5 

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

duesmandella wrote:

when you guys do burnouts? do you put the car in second gear? my ebrake sucks ass too

i will usually keep it in first...(using ebrake) and feather the gas to keep the rpms around 5-5500


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2007-07-25 01:28:57 (1 year 24 weeks 7 hours 16 minutes 39 seconds) #111927 | | view posts since this          #6 

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

how many dam clutches have you ran through robbie? thats alotta abuse .

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2007-07-25 01:33:12 (1 year 24 weeks 7 hours 12 minutes 24 seconds) #111929 | | view posts since this          #7 

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not really man...my stock clutch and the act took the most abuse...i used to run 9.2's n/a (1/8 mile) on the stock clutch...it lasted quit some time...the act just coukdn't handle the power i put down...but still lasted for a little while.

now i have to learn to feather the gas...not the clutch....the cm clutch doesn't feather...it just grabs


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2007-07-25 08:47:25 (1 year 23 weeks 6 days 23 hours 58 minutes 11 seconds) #112020 | | view posts since this          #8 

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awesome writeup robbie.. i plan on going to the track soon, this should come in handy


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2007-07-25 09:39:45 (1 year 23 weeks 6 days 23 hours 5 minutes 51 seconds) #112028 | | view posts since this          #9 

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

When I saw the 3 things u listed, tire pressure, tire temp, and nerves. I was afraid you were gonna mention take off RPM's. But nice write up.

Oh ya and the nerves part was a good point. They get me almost every time. If I'm going to race I always have to suck on a mint to easy them.

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

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You suck at teh writeups.. LoL.. Actually.. when I get nervous at the staging lights.. I just picture everyone nekkid. Works everytime smiley-smile

I'd just like to throw my own opinion into the mix.. There are a lot of people that have different ideas on how to do this.. A lot like slipping the clutch, others like feathering.. which leave many beginners to confusion and end up riding their clutch all the way to 3rd gear.. All I can say is.. PRACTICE. If it takes you 20 tries in one night at the speedway, then so be it. Also, the street and track are two totally different things, what works on one won't work on the other. Other techniques won't always net the same result..

For shits and giggles.. I'll throw mine in.. I rev the engine up to about 3500, and not slowly, but gradually let the clutch in (this will cause massive wheel spin), then i'd alternate between the gas and clutch untill I feel it gains some traction (you'll know when the car lurches forward), by this time it's about the end of 1st gear, and you've got 2nd down to approx a 3/4 car lead if you've done it right. Worked for me countless times on 5rT-4's.. But then again this only works for me on the street..

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2007-07-25 12:35:50 (1 year 23 weeks 6 days 20 hours 9 minutes 46 seconds) #112104 | | view posts since this          #11 

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

good write up. Last time I got a decent burnout going, but after a few seconds it would start to wheel hop a little. Not as bad as b4, but still doing it. Letting the clutch out easy is the key. If you dump, spins are in you IMMEDIATE future. I spin 1st thru 3rd on 1 run.

Also, oddly my best time last week was on my 1st run w/ 46lbs of air. All my others w/ less pressure were slower. Go figure that one smiley-smile

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robbie thanks a bunch man, i burn the tires out more now, and ive dropped my 60' down to 2.1, 2.2's instead of 2.3-.4s


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i always hear and thought that 3500rpms is alil too high to launch because you will get alot of wheel spin and if you feather it, it will take longer to control at 3500rmp.  I hear the best rpm to launch is no more then 2500 because it's less feathering and quicker response of controlling the wheel spin.
Am i missing something in between that i dont know about??

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2007-08-02 12:44:50 (1 year 22 weeks 5 days 20 hours 47 seconds) #117173 | | view posts since this          #14 

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ive always just cleaned the tires off...  ill give em a decent burnout next time and see what happens..


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2007-08-02 13:03:38 (1 year 22 weeks 5 days 19 hours 41 minutes 59 seconds) #117189 | | view posts since this          #15 

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xxchuncexx wrote:

Also, oddly my best time last week was on my 1st run w/ 46lbs of air. All my others w/ less pressure were slower. Go figure that one smiley-smile

Well if your keeping the wheel spin down it could because of less rolling resistance since you tires are aired up more. Also since it was your first run your engine could have been running cooler.

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ive always just cleaned the tires off...  ill give em a decent burnout next time and see what happens..

thats what i used to do to man. but there was never grip, i wasnt having one problem launching doing it this way

and i didnt launch that high(3500), i launched at around 2800


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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

bump cuz i want to learn more since launching is kind of my weak spot.  I use to practice alot but i cant tell if i'm getting any better if i'm not going against anyome. (this is in the streets)

for the ppl that broke into the low 14's in there N/A spec v,  What rpms did you launch from?

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

After a good burnout, try revving to 3500-4000rpm and then dump the clutch, but don't stomp the gas until your car jumps forward. It'll burnout a little, but just hold the gas pedal in the same position and it won't burn through the whole 1st gear.

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it's better to feather it then dumping it.

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i always hear and thought that 3500rpms is alil too high to launch because you will get alot of wheel spin and if you feather it, it will take longer to control at 3500rmp.  I hear the best rpm to launch is no more then 2500 because it's less feathering and quicker response of controlling the wheel spin.
Am i missing something in between that i dont know about??

The point of launching at 3500rpms-3800rpms in a SpecV is that the QR25DE makes peak torque in this range. It would depend on your specific motor and dyno results to know exactly which rpm is best but they'll all be close. Basically the whole idea is that you have the most torque available to you the entire time you're launching. Once you're completely out of the clutch with little to no spin, you're at peak torque and in your power band. If you launch at 2500 and don't increase the RPM's while slipping the clutch you will be "bogging" and have less torque available than you could be using at the time the clutch is fully disengaged. Launching at 2500 and raising RPM's during your launch so that you finish disengaging the clutch around 3500 RPM could be beneficial and help reduce off the line wheel spin due to reduced shock to the system on initial launch.

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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

burning out in the water box... is not allowed at some tracks if you are on street tires or drag radials.  Englishtown Raceway Park in NJ will kick your ass out if you go through the box with anything but straight up slicks on.  Just a thing to keep in mind...


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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

i usually just do a quick spin to clean the tires off. Im deff gonna try burning them a little longer next time. I was always told to just clean them off, and than if you actually burn street tires all your doing is getting tiny balls of rubber on the tire which will act like little bearings, but if its working for other people than its deff worth a try. thanks for the advice.

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burning out in the water box... is not allowed at some tracks if you are on street tires or drag radials.  Englishtown Raceway Park in NJ will kick your ass out if you go through the box with anything but straight up slicks on.  Just a thing to keep in mind...

Mainly because whatever water gets in between the tread can get drug from the box to the line, and even further which can cause a pretty nasty hazard.  I've seen some pretty nasty looks at people but never seen anyone kicked off.  I'd say if someone was in the wrong mood around here, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.


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Re: How to launch ANY car...even the spec!

^^^ yep.  exactly why.

i dunno how i buy into the street tire burn out.  i can understand spinning them a bit to clean them off, but a full on burn out sounds like a waste of a tire.  i always laugh at the kids that sit there and do 20 sec long burnouts on street tires.  last time i was at the track there was a kid there with a brand new SI that was doing that... wayyyy too much overkill on his burnouts.  he was burning out longer than the cars he was up against that had slicks.

i really don't know how serious englishtown is about getting really mad at people, but they make repeated announcements about the burn out box over the PA and they make it out to be serious.  i've never seen anybody do it, as the people directing racers make sure people go around.  they're on top of things pretty damn well.


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I think whether or not a burnout is beneficial on street tires depends on the tire. There are some tires that do not take it well, but my 240sx is running on Toyo Proxes-4's and the compound they're on gets pretty sticky when a burnout is done. I wouldn't do it for more than 2 or 3 seconds though, and I'd probably do a quick peel after the burnout to get to the line.

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ill be posting up a a couple of videos of my 1/4 race at english town nj tonight so wish me luck.....its my first time n i think i might just leave the tires at 33psi stock psi and see what happens

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im pretty dissapointed in my time i did a 16.04 but i had a late reaction time .888 i take off at 3500 rpm and burnout in which i just drop the clutch at around 4000 my tires are pirreli supersport they stick pretty good my 60-ft was 2.2 idk if thats slow. well comments message me or reply.


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Your reaction time has NOTHING to do with your overall 1/4 mile time, that does not matter.


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Your reaction time has NOTHING to do with your overall 1/4 mile time, that does not matter.

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im pretty dissapointed in my time i did a 16.04

wow, how the hell did you get a 16.04 in a B16 Spec? The worst I ever ran in my B15 Spec is a 15.6


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cute02spec wrote:

Your reaction time has NOTHING to do with your overall 1/4 mile time, that does not matter.

broken record lol.

I would make a sticky about it... but... no one reads the stickies!  smiley-laugh


16.04 with a 2.2 60' is a bit odd...


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Tweek wrote:

ronispec-v07 wrote:

im pretty dissapointed in my time i did a 16.04

wow, how the hell did you get a 16.04 in a B16 Spec? The worst I ever ran in my B15 Spec is a 15.6

Driver diet, and driver skill FTW smiley-tongue

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haha no wonder i ran a 9.6 at 75mph in the 1/8th


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it was my first time at the drags forgot to put that in lol
   but im going this upcoming friday to hit some 15s for sure this time my 2nd gear isnt working
       to well but ill post my times and what i beat smiley-first


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there finally i went this passed friday and got a 15.1 i wasnt launching right and my tire pressure was reallly high plus i wasnt shifting tooo well i beat a twin-turbo z which i was proud of myself but its kinda messed up still v6 tt vs. 4banger lol well comment bak


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and still think i can get a flat 15 maybe high 14s dont know yet.


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